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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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Started Jun-28 by PAULFROMNYS; 124 views.
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From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   How would any understand/define prophecy as shown in the 14th chapter of 1st Corinthians?

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Jul-1

   As prophecy appears central to our assembling together, I'm looking hard at understanding it's meaning in the context of our communicating with one another in meetings. I saw that Saul prophesied when in Samuels presence. Saul was most assuredly not a prophet.  This in concert with Hebrews 1:1 seems to give some direction. 

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Jul-5

   ame across this in my readings today = John 11:51  John 11:51 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

   Every born again believer is a priest unto GOD.  

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Jul-5

   Also Revelation 19:10 says:   And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

   It is becoming ever more certain to me that believers assembling together are to be prophesying.  I say this in the sense that prophesying is simply our natural communion when in His presence.  It will reflect the outpouring of life which He inspires in truth.  I would desire to be together with my brothers and sisters in such a way according as it is offered by John 11:40:    Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Jul-14

   It is interesting that Paul spent 18 months in Corinth.  Many say Corinth was a very troubled immature church, but could it be that it was the most intimate of assemblies in Paul's experience as from birth into the navigating of the many issues confronting the church as it put down roots in a gentile populace having virtually zero experience with GOD?   As Paul lead them as newborns into the realities of maturing in being born anew he wrote the amazing chapter 13 giving discernment as to the love of GOD. This he followed with this direction:  ! cor 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.   Further direction keeps order as that being spoken is to be Judged = 1Co 14:29   Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.  Finally it seems clear that prophesying is central to the communion of believers assembled in GOD's presence = 1Co 14:31-32 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.  This has been virtually lost in the experience of believers assembling together, and I maintain that is so simply because of unbelief.

   

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-8

PAULFROMNYS said:

   How would any understand/define prophecy as shown in the 14th chapter of 1st Corinthians?

As I mentioned in another post, the Pentecostals have somewhat ruined the word prophecy. If you read the Old Testament, very little of what the prophets spoke was foretelling. For the most part, what they did was to speak for God, the speak God forth, and to speak God into people, for God is transmitted through the word. The word is God, and it is the work that became flesh. 

I think that anyone who reads 1Corinthians 14 with an unbiased mind, neither influenced by Pentecostalism or Fundamentalism, will realize that Paul is deemphasizing tongues and highly emphasizing prophesying.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Pursue love, and desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

2. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God

3. But he who prophesies speaks building up and encouragement and consolation to men.

4. He who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but he who prophesies builds up the church.

We have both the capacity to prophecy:

1 Corinthians 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one

and the responsibility to prophecy:

1 Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy 

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-9

    Amen Fred.  Have you attempted to begin assembling with others with this in mind?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-10

Why yes, for many years.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-10

   Please share some of your insights specific to this.  I know you have throughout our sharing, but I'd like to target it specifically in this thread.  What have you seen as successful?  Pitfalls? anything at all :)

 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-15

PAULFROMNYS said:

Please share some of your insights specific to this.

Firstly that it is God's desire that all His people would be prophets.

Numbers 11:29 But Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? Oh that all Jehovah’s people were prophets, that Jehovah would put His Spirit upon them!

Therefore we all should earnestly desire to prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Pursue love, and desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

According to Ephesians 4, for the building up of the Body of Christ, God gave some as prophets, not to prophecy, but to perfect the saints that all may prophecy.

Ephesians 4:11-12 And He Himself gave some as...prophets ....For the perfecting of the saints unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the Body of Christ,

1 Corinthians 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one that all may learn and all may be encouraged.

This in itself is no small matter to overcome. 

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