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Started Sep-11 by Fred (fnorthrup); 3744 views.
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From: JS5777

Oct-2

From the following we can see that in the KJV Bible, the Incense and the perfume were the SAME thing.

Exo 25:6         incense (H7004)

Exo 30:1         incense (H7004)

Exo 30:7         incense (H6999), incense (H7004)

Exo 30:8         incense (H6999), incense (H7004)

Exo 30:9         incense (H7004)

Exo 30:27       incense (H7004)

Exo 31:8         incense (H7004)

Exo 31:11       incense (H7004)

Exo 35:8         incense (H7004)

Exo 35:15       incense (H7004), incense (H7004)

Exo 35:28       incense (H7004)

Exo 37:25       incense (H7004)

Exo 37:29       incense (H7004)

Exo 39:38       incense (H7004)

Exo 40:5         incense (H7004)

Exo 40:27       incense (H7004)

Lev 4:7           incense (H7004)

Lev 10:1         incense (H7004)

Lev 16:12       incense (H7004)

Lev 16:13       incense (H7004), incense (H7004)

Num 4:16       incense (H7004)

Num 7:14       incense (H7004)

Num 7:20       incense (H7004)

Num 7:26       incense (H7004)

Num 7:32       incense (H7004)

Num 7:38       incense (H7004)

Num 7:44       incense (H7004)

Num 7:50       incense (H7004)

Num 7:56       incense (H7004)

Num 7:62       incense (H7004)

Num 7:68       incense (H7004)

Num 7:74       incense (H7004)

Num 7:80       incense (H7004)

Num 7:86       incense (H7004)

Num 16:7       incense (H7004)

Num 16:17     incense (H7004)

Num 16:18     incense (H7004)

Num 16:35     incense (H7004)

Num 16:40     incense (H7004)

Num 16:46     incense (H7004)

Num 16:47     incense (H7004)

Deu 33:10       incense (H6988)

 

Exo 30:35       perfume (H7004)

Exo 30:37       perfume (H7004)

 

Incense, H6988, ????????, qet?o^ra^h, ket-o-raw', From H6999; perfume: - incense, Deu 33:10

Incense, H6999, ?????, qa^t?ar, kaw-tar', A primitive root (rather identical with H7000 through the idea of fumigation in a close place and perhaps thus driving out the occupants); to smoke, that is, turn into fragrance by fire (especially as an act of worship): - burn (incense, sacrifice) (upon), (altar for) incense, kindle, offer (incense, a sacrifice), Total KJV Occurrences: 169, burn, 59, Exo 29:13, 18, 25, 30:7-8 (3), 20, Lev 1:9, 13, 15, 17, 2:2, 9, 11, 16, 3:5, 11, 16, 4:10, 19, 26, 31, 35, 6:12 (2), 15, 7:5, 31, 16:25, 17:6, Num 5:26, 18:17, 1 Sam 2:16, 28, 1 Kin 13:1-2 (2), 2 Kin 16:15, 23:4-5 (2), 1 Chr 23:13, 2 Chr 2:4, 6, 13:11, 26:16, 18-19 (3), 28:25, 32:11-12 (2), Jer 7:9, 11:13, 44:3, 5, 17-18 (2), 25, Hos 4:13, Hab 1:16, incense, 58, Exo 30:8, 1 Kin 3:3, 9:25, 11:8, 12:33, 13:1-2 (2), 22:43, 2 Kin 15:3-4 (3), 35, 16:4, 17:11, 18:4, 22:17, 23:5 (2), 8, 1 Chr 23:13, 2 Chr 25:14, 26:16, 18-19 (3), 28:3-4 (2), 25, 29:11, 30:14, 32:12, 34:25, Isa 65:3, 7, Jer 1:16, 7:9, 11:12-13 (2), 17, 18:15, 19:4, 13, 32:29, 44:3, 5, 8, 15, 17-19 (3), 23, 25, 48:35, Hos 4:13 (2), 11:2, Hab 1:16, Mal 1:11, burnt, 25, Exo 40:27, Lev 6:12, 22-23 (2), 8:20-21 (2), 28, 9:13-14 (2), 17, 20, 1 Sam 2:15, 1 Kin 3:3, 9:25, 11:8, 1
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  • Edited October 2, 2022 5:08 pm  by  JS5777
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From: JS5777

Oct-2

You may find the results of the following scientific studies on frankincense to be interesting.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jos/68/10/68_ess19114/_pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7018390/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31582666/

https://clinphytoscience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40816-019-0139-6

God did not want for anyone to come into His presence while still bearing the stress, worries and burdens of life in a fallen world.

The frakincense immediately calms the stress center in the brain, as soon as the aroma is smelled.

This is just one of many reasons why the use of the frankincense was so important in the Old Testament Tabernacle and Temple, and without its use, the priests would die in the presence of God.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

  • Edited October 3, 2022 12:48 pm  by  JS5777
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From: JS5777

Oct-3

From the following we can see that in the New Testament, in the following verses, incense and odours are the same Greek word.

 

Luke 1:9         According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense (G2370) when he went into the temple of the Lord.

Luke 1:10       And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense (G2380).

Luke 1:11       And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense (G2380).

Rev 5:8           And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours (G2380), which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 8:3           And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense (G2380), that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:4           And the smoke of the incense (G2380), which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 18:13       And cinnamon, and odours (G2380), and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

 

Burn Incense, G2370, θυμια´ω, thumiao¯, thoo-mee-ah'-o, From a derivative of G2380 (in the sense of smoking); to fumigate, that is, offer aromatic fumes: - burn incense, Total KJV occurrences: 1, Luke 1:9

Incense/Odours, G2368, θυμι´αμα, thumiama, thoo-mee'-am-ah, From G2370; an aroma, that is, fragrant powder burnt in religious service; by implication the burning itself: - incense, odour, Total KJV occurrences: 6, incense, Luke 1:10-11 (2), Rev 8:3-4 (2), odours, Rev 5:8, Rev 18:13

 

Therefore, the following verse is as follows.

 

Rev 5:8           And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of incense (G2380), which are the prayers of saints.

 

In Rev 5:8 the singular term of odours should be in the singular as in the singular use of the word incense as in Luke 1:10 and 11, and Rev 5:8 and Rev 8:3, 4 and 18:13.

In Rev 5:8 when we compare the plural use of the word “vials” with the plural use of the word “prayers”, we an see that the vials are the prayers, and that the prayers were filled with the singular tense of the word incense, and that the incense is what identified the prayers as being the “prayers of the saints”.

The incense/perfume is what was used in the Old Testament in the process of the Priests performing their service in the temple, and it is what is used in the New Testament in the Priesthood that Christ has made each one of the living stones, as individual temples, and it is that which identifies their prayers as being the prayers of the saints, and it MUST be part of the priestly service, the vials of their prayers, being filled with the incense.

The individual living stones that the corporate Temple is made up out of, therefore, has an integral priestly operation of the incense as an integral part of the structure of the entire corporate Temple, the local church is not identified as being part of the corporate Church as the corporate Temple of God, WITHOUT the incense.

The incense is an ESSENTIAL part of the corporate Church being positively identified as being the Church OF GOD.

When the wise men brought their gifts to the house where the approximately two year old Christ child was living, the gifts consisted of the following.

 

Mat 2:7           Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

Mat 2:16         Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men

Mat 2:11         And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

 

Frankincense, G3030, λι´βανος, libanos, lib'-an-os, Of foreign origin [H3828]; the incense tree, that is, (by implication) incense itself: - frankincense, Total KJV occurrences: 2, frankincense, Mat 2:11, Rev 18:13

H3828, ???????    ????????, lebo^na^h    lebo^na^h, leb-o-naw', leb-o-naw', From H3826; frankincense (from its whiteness or perhaps that of its smoke): - (frank-) incense, Total KJV Occurrences: 21,
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From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-3

   James:   The incense is an ESSENTIAL part of the corporate Church being positively identified as being the Church OF GOD.

   Paul:  Amen, a profound, yet simple and very edifying thought.

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From: JS5777

Oct-3

The Gold

In the Old Testament Tabernacle/Temple, gold was ONLY used in the Outer Court in two different ways.

1) The golden spoons with incense that were normally kept on the table for the shewbread in the Holy Place, were used to bring the incense out to the Outer Court to be burnt upon the altar for burnt offerings.

Exo 25:29       And thou shalt make the dishes thereof, and spoons thereof, and covers thereof, and bowls thereof, to cover withal: of pure gold shalt thou make them.

Exo 37:16       And he made the vessels which were upon the table, his dishes, and his spoons, and his bowls, and his covers to cover withal, of pure gold.

Num 4:7         And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:

 

The twelve golden spoons full if incense

Num 7:14       One spoon of ten shekels of gold, full of incense:

Num 7:20       One spoon of gold of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:26        One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:32       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:38       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:44       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:50       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:56       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:62       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:68       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:74       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:80       One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Num 7:84       This was the dedication of the altar, in the day when it was anointed, by the princes of Israel: twelve chargers of silver, twelve silver bowls, twelve spoons of gold:

Num 7:86       The golden spoons were twelve, full of incense, weighing ten shekels apiece, after the shekel of the sanctuary: all the gold of the spoons was an hundred and twenty shekels.

Lev 24:7         And thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

 

The rows of bread were upon the golden table for the shewbread in the Holy Place, and the ONLY place where the bread was burnt as an offering, was on the brasen altar for burnt offerings in the Outer Court. Therefore the bread and the incense had to be carried from the Holy Place out to the Outer Court to be burnt as an offering.

 

The use of the spoons in the Outer Court

Lev 2:15         And thou shalt put oil upon it, and lay frankincense thereon: it is a meat offering.

Lev 2:16         And the priest shall burn the memorial of it, part of the beaten corn thereof, and part of the oil thereof, with all the frankincense thereof: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

 

The incense was brought in the spoons from the Holy Place out to the Outer Court to be burnt upon the altar for burnt offerings.

When the incense was burnt in the Holy Place upon the golden altar for burning the incense, there were NOT to be ANY other kinds of offerings made upon THAT altar.

Exo 30:9         Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon.

 

The incense was supposed to be burnt upon the golden altar for incense in the Holy Place EVERY morning and evening at the appointed hour for lighting or trimming (Mat 25:7) the lamps.

The incense was also supposed to be burnt upon the golden altar for incense in the Holy Place ONCE per year, as part of the process of bringing the sacrificial blood of the yearly atonement into the Holy of Holies to be sprinkled before the vail and upon the Mercy Seat.

Exo 30:7         And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.

Exo 30:8         And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations.

 

During the yearly offering of the blood of the atonement, BEFORE anything else was done upon the golden altar for incense in the Holy Place, the golden altar had to FIRST be cleansed with the SAME blood that was being used for the atonement.

Exo 30:10       And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

 

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-4

   Thanks James, hard for my undisciplined soul, but having affect by the grace of GOD.  You shared:  Strange fire is ANY fire that was not originally kindled by the fire of God, which was above the Mercy Seat and between the two golden cherumins.

   I'd respond how deadly false teachers, prophets and such are.   They do not originate from GOD, but rather some other mixed, even evil source.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-4

   James shared:  The blood of the atonement was brought into the Holy Place and into the Holy of Holies and the ONLY vessels or basins that were used in the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies were made of gold, but the blood of the sacrifice came from the Outer Court where the sacrificial animals were slain.

?   Paul:  the sacrifice need be identified with that which it atones.  It may come into the Holy only by faith.  That what your sharing highlights in me.

JS5777

From: JS5777

Oct-4

There is a process that the priests must go through while taking the blood from the Outer Court into the Holy Place and then from the Holy Place into the Holy of Holies.

There are ALSO grave consequences that follow if the proscribed process is not followed as per the instructions, if you will note, many of the details of the instructions state "that they die not".

Sadly, there are many people that believe that the approach can be in a haphazzard manner, but the instructions were given for a reason and a purpose, so that people do not try to make a way into heaven in a way that has not been provided by God, just as the people did at the tower of Babel.

It is for this reason that God has so lovingly and tenderly provided us with detailed instructions for our learning, and also how the Apostles, Paul in particular, have given details on how that things which were written aforetime, are to be applied in a New Testament context, the symbolic showing the pattern of greater things to come, which must be made manifest in and through us.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

 

JS5777

From: JS5777

Oct-4

Have you ever thought of how that the star of David is made out of two superimposed triangles?

One taking all of heaven and bringing it down into the earth, and the the results of THAT is taking all of the elect of the earth back into heaven.

But just only ONE symbol of a complete work.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Oct-4

JS5777 said:

Have you ever thought of how that the star of David is made out of two superimposed triangles?

Never. What is the source of the star of David?

My wife thinks it is an idol.

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

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