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The Believers Relationship with the Law of God   Bible discussions/all

Started Sep-22 by Fred (fnorthrup); 776 views.
JS5777

From: JS5777

Sep-26

Are you saying that the pneuma/ruach/Spirit was merged with the spirit of the prophets?

Or is it more accurate to say that the Word was dictated to the prophets, whom acted more as scribes, and that there was NO mixture of the fallen spirit of man into the writing of the Word of God?

This is an important detail to be resolved.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-26

JS5777 said:

Are you saying that the pneuma/ruach/Spirit was merged with the spirit of the prophets?

No. I do not believe this was possible before Jesus was raised from the dead. Now, he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit. I do not say merged, but mingled, because that term is used in Leviticus and I believe describes our union with the Spirit, like grafting. The life of the branch is joined to and mingled with the life of the tree.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

That one spirit is our mingled spirit, mingled with the Holy Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life involves our spirit and God's Spirit as one spirit. That is the Spirit we walk by and live by.

The Spirit of God came upon the prophets and they spoke, so God was in their speaking and their speaking, or writing became the word of God, but this is not the same as the word becoming flesh. In the New Testament, beginning with Christ, God enters into man, mingles with man to be one with man. 

That is why I have something of an issue with people who stand and say "Thus saith the Lord." This is in the principle of the Old Testament. Paul, or Peter did not say "Thus saith the Lord", they just spoke, and their speaking was full of life. This is the New Testament way. God manifested in the flesh.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-26

JS5777 said:

Or is it more accurate to say that the Word was dictated to the prophets, whom acted more as scribes, and that there was NO mixture of the fallen spirit of man into the writing of the Word of God?

We can say for sure that God spoke to the fathers by the prophets. Because they were unregenerate, their spirit had nothing to do with this process. 

We can also say that holy men spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit was definitely involved. 

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

JS5777

From: JS5777

Sep-27

John 7:37  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
John 7:38  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
John 7:39  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Until the death, burial, resurrection, ascension and indwelling on the day of Pentecost the Holy Ghost was not yet given.

Therefore there was an anointing that came upon the Prophets of the Old Testament, and that anointing could come and go, and we still have access to the Holy Spirit today in that SAME way.

However, SINCE the death, burial, resurrection, ascension and indwelling on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Ghost has been given in a way that it does not have to EVER leave.

John 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 15:4  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

This is the new and Living way that has been opened for us.

Heb 10:19  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

 

Shalom,

JS5777

 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

JS5777 said:

John 7:39  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Excellent post. This is a key verse with regard to the Spirit. If you look closely, the word "given" is in italics in the KJV. This means it is not in the original manuscript but is supplied by the translators.

What the verse says literally is "...the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified. 

The word "given" is the translators adding their interpretation.

According to Luke 24:26, Jesus' resurrection was His glorification.

Like 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

In resurrection He became a life-giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45b). Now, the Lord is the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17) This Spirit, the Spirit of the resurrected, glorified Jesus was "not yet" in John 7:39 because Jesus had not yet been resurrected from the dead. The Spirit that was "not yet" is the compound Spirit, typified by the compound ointment in Exodus 30. This is the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:21 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

and the Spirit of God's Son

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The "compounding" is God passing through incarnation, human living, death, and resurrection. Today, this compound Spirit is with our spirit. 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

JS5777 said:

This is the new and Living way that has been opened for us. Heb 10:19  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, Heb 10:20  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Amen!!!! This is the new and living way!!! 

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-27

   James:   Or is it more accurate to say that the Word was dictated to the prophets, whom acted more as scribes, and that there was NO mixture of the fallen spirit of man into the writing of the Word of God?

    Paul:   I'd answer your original question:   GOD.  There can be no mixture, every word must be 100% GOD.  That GOD may well incorporate the makeup of different scribes in the expression He desires may be, but when the dust settles, it is 100% GOD.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

PAULFROMNYS said:

it is 100% GOD.

In the beginning was the word....and the word is God!

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-27

   Yes, it is good to KNOW that every thought is from GOD as a Father to His child.  This is the inheritance our Lord Jesus Christ purchased for us IMO.  

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

JS5777 said:

However, SINCE the death, burial, resurrection, ascension and indwelling on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Ghost has been given in a way that it does not have to EVER leave.

Didnt the Lord literally say "I will never leave you"?

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for He hath said, I will never leave thee, nor -- forsake thee.

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