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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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The Glory of GOD #4   T. Austin Sparks

Started Jun-28 by PAULFROMNYS; 120 views.
PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   

WHY NO GLORY IN OUR LIVES?

Now I said that you could put this to the test in your own experience. Some of us have had to go through this experience to learn these things, for they are not just theories. What has been the most miserable time in your life? Well, I can tell you what was the most miserable time, lacking in glory and having all that is not glory, in my life. It was when I allowed the devil to succeed in putting me outside the finished work of Christ by accusation. 'The Lord is displeased with you. He has it against you. The Lord is really, because of this affliction, suffering, trial, and sorrow, not well pleased with you.' Go down under that and the glory goes. And while you stay there, there is no glory, simply because God's ground is this ground of the absolute finality of the work of His Son for our redemption. Get off that ground by any accusation or condemnation of the devil, forsake the ground of Christ, and the glory goes and will never come back while you stay there. Make no mistake about that! If you are occupied with yourself how long is it going to take you to learn that that is not the ground of glory? Well, it will take just so long as you stay there on the ground of this wretched, miserable self that God has finished with in the Cross of His Son. If we move over on to the ground of Christ and His perfection, and by faith put our feet down on that, then the glory will return.

We have only opened the door to this matter, but we really have to apply all this, for I do not want to give you a lot more teaching for you to put into your heads. I have prayed that the Lord will use His word as a shaft to cut in and really do something.

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PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   

IS GOD TO BE GLORIFIED IN OUR LIVES?

Dear friends, do we, you and I, really want God to be glorified in our lives? You say: 'Yes!', but there are some who say: 'Well, let us see what it means and then we will say Yes.'

First of all, it means exactly the same for us as it meant with the Lord Jesus, for He was here as our representative Man before God. Therefore it means the great and utter CRISIS: committal. Oh, let that word get hold of us! There are Christians, and there are committed Christians - and I must just leave that with you.

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PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   The great crisis experience in the life of the Lord Jesus was when He made the great committal to the glory of His Father and said: 'Everything from this day is going to be judged by the value of how much glory there is in it for My Father.' That was a crisis, and then, as I have said, everything did fall into line with that where He was concerned. He saw to it that His conduct, His own life with His Father, His secret life which no one saw or knew, and His life before the world, before people and before His disciples, were governed by this one thing - His Father getting the glory. His behaviour, the way He spoke and the way He acted were all governed by this one thing. If He had been a business man, it would have governed His business transactions. Were they to the glory of God? If not, He would not have had anything to do with them. His family, His brothers, sisters, mother - 'Is My family to the glory of God?' Is the behaviour in our families, in us, in our children, in our husband and wife relationship, in how we go on as a family, to the glory of God? How do people looking on view it? This is searching!

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PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   But if you come to a position like that where you really have a transaction with the Lord, do not think that it is going to mean a life of loss. No, you are going to see the glory of God. That is the upshot of this eleventh chapter of John with Lazarus and his sisters at Bethany. Difficult as the way to it was for them, the last picture is of an emanation of the glory of God. What a delightful scene that is in chapter twelve! Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead, lived, and they made Him a supper. Martha served, in a new spirit of service, and Mary and Lazarus sat with the disciples. It must have been a beautiful time - real glory in resurrection life. But they had been through something to get to that! They had been tried and tested on this question: "Said I not unto thee, that, if thou believedst, thou shouldest SEE the glory of God?" Do you want to see the glory of God in your own life? It is not going to mean a life of loss, for if you have the glory of God you cannot get anything beyond that, or better than that.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Jun-28

TA Sparks said:

Do you want to see the glory of God in your own life? It is not going to mean a life of loss, for if you have the glory of God you cannot get anything beyond that, or better than that.

I like PaulfromNYS's expression, "my current understanding is..." My current understanding is that the Christ who was crucified on the cross was the individual Christ, the Lamb of God who died for our justification, redemption, and reconciled us to God.

The resurrected Christ is the corporate Christ, the Head with the Body. The glorification of Christ was the increase of Christ. We cannot glorify God personally, or, "in our own life", but only corporately, as the church. God is expressed in Christ and Christ is expressed as locaL churches. He is in the midst of the golden lampstands.

Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

   Amen Fred, as usual I agree.  I think the foundational discernment((upheld by scripture, in ourselves primarily)) is:  Is this one after GOD in the ((way)) given of GOD??  If so, he/she is my brother/sister, and we will be of great comfort, value to one another in our common desire to mature in Christ.  This in contrast to what we think of the things we/they are in need of overcoming.  Many believers judged Paul wrongly, and this to their great hurt: why??????  I think many will have thoughts on this, as do I.  I'll wait to see   :) 

   2 Peter 3:15,16  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
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Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Jun-28

PAULFROMNYS said:

I think many will have thoughts on this, as do I.

I definitely have a great many thoughts on this. Paul called the gospel "my gospel" in 3 places. He did not receive this gospel from the 12 apostles, but from the Lord directly. In Paul's time, as well as ours, there is "a different gospel" being proclaimed. This is quite serious and worthy of much discussion. But as you say, who has thoughts on this?

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jun-28

    :)    who indeed

JS5777

From: JS5777

Jul-5

The sad thing is, many people try to put all of the glory of God to be exclusively on the Father, the Son, the Church, but very infrequently do they recognize that the church is a many membered BODY and that we are members in particular, as in, we EACH individually have a role and a responsibility to fulfill in expressing/manifesting the glory of God.

Manifesting the glory of God does not contain the fulfilling of any of the lusts of the flesh, it consists of loving God so far above all else that the importance of carnal things vanish away because of being so immersed in the presence of God that nothing else is even worthy to be compared with it.

As we personally take this responsibility upon ourselves and begin to fulfill it, the Glory of God becomes visible. The church is edified, the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ is put on display, and the glory of God begins to fill the earth, FIRST the lumps of clay that we are, then in our families, our church and communities, and it expands outward to the uttermost ends of the earth, until ALL of the earth is filled with the glory of God.

There are NO insignificant parts in the Body of Christ - the Family of God.

Just because we may not fully understand the complete importance of our role in the Body, does NOT diminish in the least the significance of fulfilling our role in the Body, and how THAT fulfilling puts the glory of God on display.

 

Blessings and Shalom,

JS5777

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Jul-5

   Amen James, beautiful.

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