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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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Started Aug-23 by PAULFROMNYS; 311 views.
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From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-23

   

THE HEAVENLY REALM UNKNOWN TO US BY NATURE

Again, that other realm, the consciousness of which has come into our hearts, the gravitation toward which has commenced in our spirits, is an entirely unknown world to us by nature. To nature it is another realm altogether - different, unfamiliar, unexplored. It does not matter how many have gone on before us, it does not matter how many there are who have started on this way and gone a long way in it: for every individual it is an altogether new world and it can only be known by experience. We may derive values from the experience of others, and thank God for all those values, but with all their experiences they cannot get us one step further on that way. For us it is new, utterly new, and strange. We have to learn everything about it from the beginning.

That makes pioneering - what pioneering always is - a lonely way. No one can hand down to us a heritage. We have to obtain our own in that world, strange and unknown as it is; demanding basically a new constitution according to that world, with capacities that are not possessed by nature. No man by searching can find out God (Job 11:7); we have not the capacity. It must be born in us from heaven. We have got to make the discovery for ourselves of everything. We have to discover God for ourselves, in every detail of His willing relationship to the human heart.

Light may come through testimony, light may come through the Scriptures, help may come through counsel, inspiration may come to us from those who have ploughed through and gone ahead, but in the last analysis we have got to possess our own spiritual plot in the heavenly country, subdue it, cultivate it and exploit it. You know that is true; that you are going that way in the spiritual life. You are having to find out for yourself. Oh, how we long for somebody to be able to pick us up and put us through on the good of their experience! The Lord never allows that. If really and truly we are on the heavenly road - if we have not just started and sat down or given up: if we are moving on the heavenly road, we are all pioneers. There will be values in it which others will come into because we have pioneered, but there is a sense in which every one, no matter how far behind, has got to make discoveries for himself, and it is best so. Ultimately, there is nothing second-hand in the spiritual life.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-24

TAS said:

His presence here is in testimony, not in fullness - in testimony that this is His rightful place, in testimony to the fact that "the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof" (Ps. 24:1), in testimony that He made it for His own pleasure.

We have a saying among us: "While religious people are dreaming of going to heaven, God is dreaming of coming to earth." In a sense, Jacob's dream in Genesis 28 is God's dream. The gate of heaven is opened, and the house of God is built on the earth.

I was wondering how you brothers understand these two verses in Hebrews.

1. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

World here is in Greek: ο?κουμ?νη oikoume´ne¯; gen. oikoume´ne¯s, fem. noun from oike´o¯ (G3611), to dwell, abide, meaning the inhabited earth.

2. Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

In 1:6 He brought the Firstborn, Jesus in resurrection into the inhabited earth. In 2:5, He speaks of the inhabited earth to come, which is subjected not only to the Firstborn, but the may sons, those whom He is not ashamed to call brothers.

How do you understand this in light of the prevailing Christian tradition that all saved people go to heaven. What is "the coming inhabited earth"?

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-24

   Amen, GOD made us for a deeply important reason to Him = the fellowship of His LOVE.  Life in self and from self could in no way respond properly.  So separated from Him((but not His plans to restore)) we went.  Then after making clear all that was involved GOD sent His only Begotten as the only way, truth, and life that dwells eternally with Him, and offered same to any truly desiring.  The substance of our response and the response of all from Adam on will be determined perfectly at the final judgment of GOD. 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-24

PAULFROMNYS said:

 Amen, GOD made us for a deeply important reason to Him

Ephesians 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

The word "world" here is different than the word in Hebrews 1:6 and 2:5. Here it means a period of time, and age. So this verse refers to "this age" and "the age to come." Hebrews 1 and 2 refer to "the inhabited earth" and "the coming inhabited earth."

These verses definitely say that there is a present age, a present inhabited earth, and a coming age, and age after this one, which includes a coming inhabited earth.

You cannot call this heaven because it includes the earth, and you could not call it eternal, because there is time involved. If it is not eternal and not heaven, then what is this coming age in which the inhabited earth is subjected to the sons of God?

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-25

   The thousand years??  Is it possible that the coming age is totally incorporated into GOD thereby being heaven and eternal.  These thoughts are so new to me, I find myself deferring to the most generalized possibilities of scripture.  Please bear with me.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-25

There are two things. One one hand there is the Bible, the Word of God. On the other hand there is the Christian religion, which is not in the Bible. The church is in the Bible, the Body is in the Bible, but there is no Catholicism, no Protestantism, no Pentecostalism, and no Fundamentalism, just Christ and the church.

In the Bible there is the covenant God made with the seed of Abraham, then there is the religion of Judaism. Judaism, much the same as Christian religion, is a mixture of the Bible, traditions, myths, and superstition.

I think many Christians will be shocked to find out how many things they hold to and practice are nowhere in the Bible, and how many things which are plainly in the Bible they never heard of.

Sometimes when I am trying to help someone turn to the Word of God, I use this example: Three wise men. This is universally repeated, depicted in nativity scenes, sung about ("We three kings of orient are...") yet is nowhere in the Bible. If the Bible is not the source of three wise men, then what is the source? There are Magi from the East in the Bible, but it never specifies how many.

I do not think it matters at all how many wise men one thinks there are, but it serves as an example. How many things do we take for granted that are not in the Bible, and how many things are in the Bible that we have never seen?

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-26

   Fred shared:  There are two things. One one hand there is the Bible, the Word of God. On the other hand there is the Christian religion, which is not in the Bible. The church is in the Bible, the Body is in the Bible, but there is no Catholicism, no Protestantism, no Pentecostalism, and no Fundamentalism, just Christ and the church.

   Paul replied:  As you know, huge amen from me.  How the devil wants to plant varying flags above us that we strive and debate with one another, invariably at the cost of love and unity.  It's akin to saying: if you don't understand as I do, then we must abandon our relationship..  We need to hear LOUD and CLEAR before following such:  "with the same judgment you judge, you shall be judged"

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Aug-26

   Fred said:   There are Magi from the East in the Bible, but it never specifies how many.

   Paul replied.  Can't yes or no with limited library computer time, but aren't they named somewhere?   In any event, the point you are making is most assuredly true of most all of us in some measure.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Aug-26

PAULFROMNYS said:

Can't yes or no with limited library computer time, but aren't they named somewhere?

They are not named. You are probably thinking of a novel or a movie. I hope  you picked up the part where I said it doesnt matter in the least how many magi you think there are. The point is that it is nowhere in the Bible but people universally think it is. That is the definition of a tradition. There are many I could name that do matter.

marvinlzinn1

From: marvinlzinn1

Aug-27

    Exactly !  Jesus taught only one doctrine with example. We cannot be saved on opinions.

     I worked in many states and countries. There are different languages. natural foods and customs not related to salvation, but when we seek heaven there is only one path,

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