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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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KJV''s Use of Easter   General Discussion

Started Jan-31 by Christ4Us; 171 views.

From: Christ4Us


Fred (fnorthrup) said:

I worked for 10 years with a Fundamental Baptist (the name of their denomination) who was a King James only person. We had many, many conversations on the subject and I read the books he suggested as well as did a lot of internet research. He believed that the King James translators were divinely inspired, had some kind of super knowledge of ancient Biblical language unavailable to translators today, and if there is a discrepancy between the Greek manuscript and KJV we just go with King James. Oh, and that all other English translations were inspired and corrupted by Satan.

I almost understand where that guy is coming from but for a different reason.  The Textus Receptus had their Greek documents from Antioch where the disciples were first known by studying in the word for a year per Acts 11:26.

Acts 11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

The Alexandrian documents are circumspect because Alexandria is where poetic licensing had been known to exist plus Gnosticism was known in the area.  It is why their documents are the oldest and even one of those collected book for source documents was found in the trash at some monastery.  Gnosticism is secret or hidden knowledge and if anything can be discerned about this is they were using tongues for private use, being "self edified" by it or praying in tongues.  That is why they veered away from the written word or else they would be wearing them out for why they would make copies and their source documents would not be the oldest.

Whereas the source documents from Antioch are recent and not very old only because those who loved His words would wear them out to replace them with newer copies.

Jesus did issue a warning from the Father that we would need Him to help us discern who loved Him to keep His words from those that would not.  The documents from Alexandria changed enough of the message in key places for why they abandoned the scripture for using tongues for private use; hence self edification and praying, without ever really knowing what was being said to know if it was self edification or a prayer.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

The fact that 1 John 5:7 regarding the Three Witnesses was and is originally scripture proves why we need his help to discern which Bible we should go by.

At that link are also a list of extrabiblic
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From: Christ4Us


Fred (fnorthrup) said:

I personally have never used the King James Version as my primary Bible. I do check it out and use it with people who prefer it because I like talking to people about the Lord. 

I used to use the NASB and the NIV but when I ran across false messages in those modern Bibles and it bothered me, the Lord led me to check with the KJV and that convinced me to rely on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good and evil whereas by those other modern Bibles, I could not see the truth in His words when the changed message sows doubts in His words against the other scripture that was holding the truth in that modern Bible like the NASB or the NIV.

False messages like Matthew 5:22, 1 Corinthians 1:18, and Romans 8:26-27 in the NASB & NIV was why I believe the Lord led me to rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to follow Him by.

I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for that in being my Friend and Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him as His disciple in giving me wisdom in understanding His words in the KJV.


From: Christ4Us


Fred (fnorthrup) said:

I believe all Scripture is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:6) and that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out through the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4) is living and operative (Hebrews 4:14) and incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23). If you hear it in Russian, Spanish, Greek, Hebrew or Chinese, it is the Word of God.

If it is based on the Textus Receptus, I may have confidence in God having it translated rightly in other languages, but even then, modern Biblical scholars and translators may be influenced to read His words otherwise.  Indeed, in Job 40th chapter, biblical scholars can place in footnotes, even in some of the KJVs that the behemoth was an alligator or a hippo or an elephant when the description of that behemoth was really a dinosaur.

Fred (fnorthrup) said:

My honest opinion regarding my friend for 10 years is that he trusted more in the KJV than in God, in other words, the translation of the Bible became an idol, replacing Christ. All his faith was in the KJ translators. Such a pity.

It is not a perfect Bible for why I rely on Jesus Christ to be my Good Shepherd & Friend to help me to follow Him whereas modern Bibles do not keep the message of His words for why doubts can be sown and modern Bibles can wind up supporting false teachings and apostasies too.  It is no wonder to me why many saved believers are going astray.   So many Bible versions and even anti-KJVO testify that not all Bibles are saying the same thing while belittling the KJV and those that rely on it ( even though they say it is a good Bible ).  Then they emphasize the Greek & Hebrew.

If they resort to the Greek and Hebrew, they still need His help to understand His words, because I see them arguing over what they believe the scripture is saying in the Greek and they accuse each other for doing it wrong or downplay their intelligence in knowing the Greek.  They lose themselves in proper Greek grammar and yet the Greek today is not the same as back then.

is it any wonder how this prophesy may very well be true for these latter days for why faith is hard to find?

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

There is no such thing as a NIVO or a NASBO and yet if I say I rely only on the KJV, I am accused as KJVO when I do not believe it is a perfect Bible but I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to guide me.

It is what it is and one has to wonder where all of these prejudices are coming from for relying on the KJV?  They attack king James as if he is gay and that he removed verses against homosexuality which is false since the scripture still has them in there.  This internet campaign of what the KJVO stands for even though they cannot prove anyone as being the official site for KJVO, does raise a lot of suspicions for what is behind all of this, but regardless, God allowed it and only those that love Him and His words would see why they need to rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

I cannot convince anyone of it but I can share by His grace & by His help why I was led by Him to rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words for following Him as His disciples and I thank the father in Jesus's name for that.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)


Christ4Us said:

I cannot convince anyone of it but I can share by His grace & by His help why I was led by Him to rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words for following Him as His disciples and I thank the father in Jesus's name for that.

Amen brother.