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From: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon12/29/21 5:06 PM 
To: Ishmael112  (91 of 109) 
 14717.91 in reply to 14717.84 

Ishmael112 said...

Yet you have argued that people who claim to be agnostics are really not because there is no such thing as agnosticism.

You're going to have to quote me or I just might think you're a fibber.

I never said there is no such thing as agnosticism. I said agnostic is a useless term used mainly for cover. Agnosticism, the word, has a meaning, it is a real thing. We are all agnostic if we're honest. About many things. That's one of the things about it that makes it useless.

Agnosticism is a way of thinking... 

agnosticism
 
ag-nos′ti-siz″?m

noun

  1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
  2. The belief that the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities cannot be known with certainty.
  3. The doctrines of the agnostics; the doctrine that the ultimate cause and the essential nature of things are unknowable, or at least unknown.

 

Unless you have some other valid definitions. Considered valid by more than just you.

 
 
 
 
JD

I would rather live a hard reality than a happy fantasy.

 

 
From: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon12/29/21 5:07 PM 
To: Ishmael112  (92 of 109) 
 14717.92 in reply to 14717.85 

Ishmael112 said...

Is there any possible way to discuss an issue with you without being accused of shameful behavior?

Sure, just discuss it with me in a non-shameful manner.

  • Edited December 29, 2021 5:10 pm  by  JohnDoe947
 

 
From: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon12/29/21 5:10 PM 
To: VERNADEE  (93 of 109) 
 14717.93 in reply to 14717.87 

VERNADEE said...

I kind of doubt that any long term husband would make that mistake.  <GG>  more than once <GG>

I suspect you are correct.

 
 
 
 
JD

I would rather live a hard reality than a happy fantasy.

 

 
From: Ishmael11212/29/21 5:10 PM 
To: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon  (94 of 109) 
 14717.94 in reply to 14717.91 

I'm not going to go back through all this stuff to quote you, John.  But what I distinctly remember is that you said many atheists claim to be agnostic in order to avoid being confrontational.  Those were not your words but my recollection of your position.  

Am I wrong on this matter?  

 
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From: Ishmael11212/29/21 5:11 PM 
To: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon  (95 of 109) 
 14717.95 in reply to 14717.92 

I just don't accept that to disagree with you is to be shameful.  

 

 
From: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member Icon12/29/21 5:12 PM 
To: Ishmael112  (96 of 109) 
 14717.96 in reply to 14717.94 

Ishmael112 said...

I'm not going to go back through all this stuff to quote you, John.  But what I distinctly remember is that you said many atheists claim to be agnostic in order to avoid being confrontational.  Those were not your words but my recollection of your position.  

Am I wrong on this matter? 

That doesn't mean I've claim agnosticism doesn't exist.

Many stupid ideas exist.

 
 
 
 
JD

I would rather live a hard reality than a happy fantasy.

 

 
From: RebeccahQP12/29/21 5:12 PM 
To: Ishmael112  (97 of 109) 
 14717.97 in reply to 14717.67 

I thought that was Plato?  When you've talked about it before, you said it was Plato.

 

Rebeccah

 

 

 
From: RebeccahQP12/29/21 5:14 PM 
To: NETIZEN_J  (98 of 109) 
 14717.98 in reply to 14717.77 

Eww, no, not in egg salad. I used to like Miracle Whip in cole slaw, though.

 

Rebeccah

 

 
From: Dotsman12/29/21 5:44 PM 
To: YoungGandalf DelphiPlus Member Icon  (99 of 109) 
 14717.99 in reply to 14717.71 

>>School offers people ways to get smart. Today, many choose to ignore the opportunity.<<

Religion offers people ways to get gullible, pseudo-scientific and illogical, and millions leap at the opportunity.  Same with Fox News.

Or, maybe it's that the gullible, the pseudo-scientific, and the illogical love organizations that validate their gullibility, their preference for pseudoscience and their illogical nature.  

 

 
From: YoungGandalf DelphiPlus Member Icon12/29/21 5:47 PM 
To: Ishmael112  (100 of 109) 
 14717.100 in reply to 14717.90 

Most people seem to think that Socrates was an actual person and was a teacher of Plato. The extant evidence is very sparse. So moderate skepticism is a good position to take. Between the three or four sources about Socrates there are contradictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates#The_Socratic_problem

Here is someone who applies methods used to authenticate Jesus historically to Socrates:

https://vridar.org/2011/07/16/was-socrates-a-man-or-a-myth-applying-historical-jesus-criteria-to-socrates/
 


 

 

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