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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon8/19/20 10:08 PM 
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Chicago Officers Retiring at a Rapid Pace
by E. Jason Wambsgans / Chicago Tribune / TNS
19 Aug 20

Chicago police officers have been retiring at more than double the normal rate, with 59 officers retiring in August and another 51 in September, compared to the average of about 24 retirements per month 

The rapid pace of retirement by Chicago police officers is raising concerns among department officials that the number of new hires won't keep pace.

Chicago police officers have been retiring at more than double the normal rate, with 59 officers retiring in August and another 51 in September, compared to the average of about 24 retirements per month, according to WGN-TV.



Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7 President John Catanzara told the news station he noticed the rise in retirees after the unrest and rioting began in the city.

"I'm surprised they’re not higher to be honest with you," he said. "It was pretty obvious right away, May 29 and 30 specifically."

While he said the change in health insurance benefits may be a factor, he placed a lot of the blame on Mayor Lori Lightfoot, noting that officers have been working without a contract for three years.

"It just goes to show the lack of respect the mayor and these attorneys have for the men and women; it’s all fluff when they say they care but they really don’t," Catanzara said, adding that he doesn’t blame members for retiring in the current environment.

"It’s not worth the attacks, physically, the exhaustion, mentally, and just the lack of appreciation as a whole for the profession."


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon8/23/20 7:22 AM 
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These Are The FACTS! STOP The Blame. STOP The Hate. STOP Blaming The Police.







  • Edited August 23, 2020 11:26 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon9/6/20 6:59 AM 
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kyle rittenhouse how shit goes down with no police make up your mind



defund the police dispatch 39.95 intruder membership




when police dempartment defunded stay calm house robbed sending thoughts prayers

defund the police waiver
  • Edited September 6, 2020 12:52 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon9/6/20 4:33 PM 
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burglar hello 911 press 1 for psychologist 2 for social worker




your 911 call routed to department of peace and unicorns defund police




its time to take a stand will u let them ban cops destroy history

  • Edited September 6, 2020 8:47 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon9/17/20 8:28 PM 
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Gutfeld Nails It On Anti-Police Climate
by Tom Knighton
16 Sep 20

There’s a lot of anti-police sentiment. I mean, when a mob tries to actively cause the deaths of injured officers, it’s safe to say there’s some anti-police sentiment. Right now, it seems people are losing their ever-loving minds about police.

And yet, the media seems to be either quiet about it or clearly taking the side of those who despise law enforcement.

Frankly, it’s disgusting.

While I’ve never viewed law enforcement officers as some near-mythical paragons of truth, justice, and the American way — I grew up around them. I know better than that. They’re people, which means all that being people would imply — I have a serious problem with folks actively wanting law enforcement dead simply because they’re police and the media not calling it out.

I’m not the only one, either. Fox News host Greg Gutfeld is there as well.

The two Los Angeles Sheriff’s deputies shot in the head over the weekend in Compton, Calif., are expected to survive.

One is a 31-year-old mother of a young child, the other a 24-year-old man.

The officers had been sitting in their car in Compton on Saturday night, when a man, or something, attempted to assassinate them.

He’s still on the loose.

If this were any other type of victim, not the police — this would be the time that the media would talk about “climate.”

We’ve created a climate of hate and intolerance, where horrible attacks against this group are possible.

It’s a climate where certain people are hunted because of who they are. It’s a climate that fosters oppression.

But the victims are cops.

So you don’t hear that. Even if it’s true.


Let’s remember that these are the same people who claimed Sarah Palin fostered a climate of hate and violence simply because she used crosshairs over districts where some felt they could flip the seats. She did that, then Gabby Giffords was shot and it was all Sarah Palin’s fault despite no evidence the shooter even knew the fundraising material in question ever existed.

President Trump makes a mean tweet and suddenly he’s fostering a climate where any manner of evil can fester.

And yet, people are actively hunting police officers and this same media is silent about the anti-police climate. That’s because “climates” only exist when it’s convenient for the media. They don’t benefit from calling this a climate. Not personally and not politically. As a result, they’ll remain silent.

Meanwhile, people have been hurt. Police officers are being hunted. Mobs are trying to keep them from receiving the medical care they need to survive.

The media, however, remains silent.

When President Trump referred to the media as an enemy of the people, the left lost their minds. However, he wasn’t really wrong, either, and the ridiculously biased way they present information and try to manipulate public opinion is precisely why he was right. As a one-time newspaper man, I had to say it, but the media really is an enemy of the people.

And they’re proving it by failing to respond to this climate as they have situations that were far less dire.

  • Edited October 24, 2020 10:42 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon9/21/20 5:50 AM 
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A post of mine to another forum:  Defund Police Department


Everyone who applies for a job on a police department should be thoroughly vetted. 

There are standards to which applicants must meet.

How to Become a Police Officer: 7 Steps to a Career in Blue

And nobody who has even a suggestion of racism in him/her should be hired as a cop either.

Just how do you determine that? If such mind reading were possible, how many people do you think would still be eligible or would almost no one of any race qualify?

… every single individual who wants to join a police force should be obligated to complete one full year of human psychology classes

Again, you would greatly reduce the pool of eligible candidates for a potentially dangerous, relatively low paying, and increasingly controversial job.

How many and which psychology classes would be required? Could multiple classes be taken at once during a single semester, could they be done online, who foots the cost?

… and then pass a stringent state test.

One of the main reasons it's not easy to get a police job is how difficult it is to pass the Police Officer Entrance Exam. Only 35 percent of test takers pass the exam and only 10 percent of those applicants are offered jobs, according to a career police officer on the Police Recruiter blog.



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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon11/20/20 9:51 AM 
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30 Oct 20

  • Edited November 20, 2020 9:53 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconDec-25 3:25 PM 
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when they defund police shooting intruders call 8-1-1 diggers hotline its the law




Remember when burying a body cover it with endangered plants

  • Edited April 17, 2021 8:49 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconJan-11 6:32 PM 
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A cop debunks four core myths of the #DefundPolice movement
by Christopher Young
27 Dec 20

As a progressive who wants to decriminalize drugs and advance the welfare state, I fit in well in my Pacific Northwest community. Except, that is, for my job: I’ve been a big-city cop here for 26 years. Before that, I served in the military. The raging #DefundthePolice movement doesn’t know me and my colleagues at all — and persistent myths about police and their critics do more harm than good.

Four myths especially deserve debunking by an officer who knows.

1) Police are killing large numbers of civilians.

That’s simply not true. In New York City, the police department has meticulously tracked every shot fired by its officers since 1971. These officers represent roughly 5 percent of the entire American force, so it’s a large sample. The NYPD’s annual report shows a dramatic, sustained drop in killings by police — from 93 in 1971 to just five in 2018.

The reality is that US policing has steadily improved over the past 50 years. In Gotham, officers firing a gun have gone from a daily to monthly occurrence. And the city has become dramatically safer over the same period.

In other words, the NYPD has successfully used less lethal means of preserving — and improving — the rule of law.

2) The anti-cop movement is largely peaceful.

Again, false. The movement, rather, is akin to the Batman villain Two-Face. Anyone who watched the protests on television would know that the daytime ones were lawful free speech. But the dynamic changed dramatically at night. Protests became intentional ­riots, designed to draw a police response that allowed rioters to claim victim status.

They would begin with insults, shouted at the riot line for hours in the hope that exhausted officers would retort on video; some told officers to commit ­suicide. Then they would throw rocks, shine bright lasers in our eyes and throw fireworks and Molotov cocktails — forcing the police to respond.

Yet the mainstream media adopted the comically false “peaceful-protest” narrative and perpetuated the myth of pervasive police brutality. For activists, it was a successful propaganda operation, encouraging the police to engage with force, then driving the narrative that law enforcement “overreacted” to latter-day Gandhis.

3) Abolishing police wouldn’t lead to lawlessness.

Many of the defunders are genuine anarchists, who want no government at all and believe in a society of angels who serve each other voluntarily.

This is nonsense. One of the greatest achievements in human history was creating government monopolies on the use of force. Ancient tribal societies had a violent death rate of 500 per 100,000 people per year. That number dropped to 50 in medieval societies and just one to five in the modern West.

Seattle’s recent experiment with the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or CHAZ, proves this. Police weren’t allowed in the “occupied” protest zone for three weeks. It immediately became a hellscape and led to the shooting deaths of two young black men — the very people the movement claims to want to protect from the police.

4) Today’s police are “militarized.”

Wrong, wrong, wrong. As a soldier, I rode in an armored vehicle and sat in a turret with a belt-fed machine gun. My job was to shoot enemy soldiers. In my 26 years as a cop, I have done no such thing.

Contrary to activist complaints, SWAT teams’ armored vehicles, armored clothing and special training help them avoid deadly force, not commit it. A regular cop is often justified shooting someone who threateningly brandishes a gun. A SWAT officer wearing protection, however, will wait longer before resorting to deadly force. In Seattle, our SWAT team recently saved a suicidal young black man with a gun.

Here’s the reality. We need police on the streets. Every day, cops arrest violent felons in the act. Even in a low-crime city like Seattle, robbery crews are constantly at work. A woman was recently slaughtered in front of her young son at the grocery store where my daughters and I shop for food. Her crime: chasing the man who stole her purse.

Social-justice warriors say that policing is hopelessly broken, and the only solution is “defund, disarm and disband.” Take it from a left-leaning cop: Those arguments are either wildly exaggerated or just plain false.


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