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From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconOct-10 4:28 PM 
To: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)  (21 of 54) 
 39847.21 in reply to 39847.16 

No.  And not a trinitarian either.  And you are what?

Ginger>not a JW but not a trinitarian?  I think I've come across a Oneness religion person on here before. At least I think that's what he called himself. 

I am a born again Christian who believes in the Trinity. 

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 
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From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-10 6:13 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (22 of 54) 
 39847.22 in reply to 39847.21 

Can you explain the trinity to me?  It makes absolutely no sense at all to me when considering the rest of the Bible and it's teachings.  Under the trinity theory, there would be no sacrifice because God would have never died.  If he did, how did he resurrect himself and was there simply no God for 3 days?

 

 
From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-10 6:33 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (23 of 54) 
 39847.23 in reply to 39847.20 

That is true.  However the Bible was given to mankind as a guide.  It's not reasonable it would be so we could not understand it.  I do realize that parts are to be understood at given times.  Such as in Danial, he told him to put it away it was not for his time.  However the old testiment only believed in the one God, not a triune.  The idea of a trinity was to bring the False religions into the christian church.  The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.
Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible.  To me, believing in a trinity would be a pagan belief and not a Biblical teaching.  Most use John 1:1 to support a trinity, and these 3 are one.  But if you continue reading John, you see that it means they are 3 likeness and goals.   Jesus said in prayer: “Father, . . . this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:1-3,) (Most translations here use the expression “the only true God” with reference to the Father. NE reads “who alone art truly God.” He cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone [is] truly God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred to as “gods” must be either false or merely a reflection of the true God.)  If you don't understand the trinity, why do you believe it?  Simply because your religion teaches it?  That would be listening to mans beliefs and not listening to God through the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Oct-10 10:06 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (24 of 54) 
 39847.24 in reply to 39847.1 

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 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

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From: Len - Spiritest_25_77 (Spiritest_24)Oct-11 5:09 AM 
To: Butchking  (25 of 54) 
 39847.25 in reply to 39847.3 

Thanks Butch. I agree with both of your posts on this completely. That is the NT revelation. the only thing that "sleeps" is the earthly body that dies. The spirit and soul will either be granted entrance into The Eternal Kingdom, later to receive a glorified body, ... or the spirit and soul will be banished to the lower parts of the earth/hades/hell.

The deciding factor: the choices relating to Jesus AND HIS TESTIMONY.

 

 
From: ButchkingOct-11 6:14 AM 
To: Len - Spiritest_25_77 (Spiritest_24) unread  (26 of 54) 
 39847.26 in reply to 39847.25 

Yes, the "deciding factor" is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father, but by Him.

 

 
From: samuelofisrael (8320john1)Oct-11 8:17 AM 
To: Butchking  (27 of 54) 
 39847.27 in reply to 39847.26 

"Journey Out of Time." -- Arthur Custance.

A perspective.

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-11 10:02 AM 
To: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)  (28 of 54) 
 39847.28 in reply to 39847.23 

That is true.  However the Bible was given to mankind as a guide.

bob>Yes, it's the foundation of the Christian/Jewish religions. 

  It's not reasonable it would be so we could not understand it. 

bob>I'm not speaking of the "bible" when I say it's not to be understood, I was speaking of only Revelations and Daniel, which deal with the end times. 

I do realize that parts are to be understood at given times.  Such as in Danial, he told him to put it away it was not for his time.  However the old testiment only believed in the one God, not a triune.  The idea of a trinity was to bring the False religions into the christian church. 

bob>Your making too big a deal from the Trinity concept. The OT was God/Trinity trying to lead the Jews/mankind, by hand, The NT was/is God/Trinity leading mankind in the flesh and via the Holy Spirit. No mystery here, don't make one out of it. 

 The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

bob>Use the bible, not books from man. 


The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.
Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible.  To me, believing in a trinity would be a pagan belief and not a Biblical teaching.  Most use John 1:1 to support a trinity, and these 3 are one.  But if you continue reading John, you see that it means they are 3 likeness and goals.   Jesus said in prayer: “Father, . . . this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:1-3,) (Most translations here use the expression “the only true God” with reference to the Father. NE reads “who alone art truly God.” He cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone [is] truly God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred to as “gods” must be either false or merely a reflection of the true God.)  If you don't understand the trinity, why do you believe it?  Simply because your religion teaches it?  That would be listening to mans beliefs and not listening to God through the Bible.

bob>Use the bible not books from man, no wonder it seems confusing to you. 


 

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-11 10:05 AM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (29 of 54) 
 39847.29 in reply to 39847.24 

Let's deal with the facts of Pre, Macdonald had visions, lots of visions, strange visions, in some of them she came up with the pre theory, she convinced her two very rich brothers of it, who funded Darby and thus he was convinced and thus that is how the pre started to get life and spread. You know this, trying to reject the crazy person who promotes and at the same time keeping what was promoted is a conflict in itself. Read about Darby, it's all there. 


 

 

 
From: ButchkingOct-11 10:06 AM 
To: samuelofisrael (8320john1)  (30 of 54) 
 39847.30 in reply to 39847.27 

I never read it.

 

 
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