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From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Oct-11 10:36 AM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (31 of 54) 
 39847.31 in reply to 39847.29 

Did you look at the site, she's a hoax...

The Rapture and the Day of the Lord, Part 1 | John MacArthur | 1 Thessalonians 4 | 1990

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUDa-aO_qd8

Why don't you listen to some good teaching by a man who knows the Bible, you won't be confused anymore...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elrBnIh1JKU&t=85s

How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Why do black Democratic congresspersons seem so unhappy with record low black unemployment? Because it might mean unemployment for them. And their lives as political parasites will have been meaningless wastes.
 
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From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconOct-11 11:30 AM 
To: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)  (32 of 54) 
 39847.32 in reply to 39847.22 

Can you explain the trinity to me?  It makes absolutely no sense at all to me when considering the rest of the Bible and it's teachings.  Under the trinity theory, there would be no sacrifice because God would have never died.  If he did, how did he resurrect himself and was there simply no God for 3 days?

Ginger>although this is not it, it's the best way I can explain it to myself:

I am Ginger. I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a child--all persons of me. It is how I relate to other people. 

God relates to us through the person's of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit while still remaining God. Because God is eternal, those persons have always been who God is. 

Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Son of man. The book of John calls Jesus the Word of God made flesh.

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning.

The Bible says God's Word was always with Him. He became the Son of man when the Father implanted the Word of God in Mary--thus, Son of God and Son of man. God never died on the cross but Jesus as the son of man did bodily die. Jesus gave up His Spirit (son of God) who left the body.

John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit  

He once again took up that same body from the grave when He was resurrected. Did He ressuredt Himself?

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” ESV

People try to assign this as impossible but we humans cannot do what God does. 

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-11 12:53 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (33 of 54) 
 39847.33 in reply to 39847.32 

That's as good of an explanation of trinity as I have heard.  However, it still does not show Biblical how the 3 are in fact only one.  There are to many scriptures that depict them as individuals.  Did Jesus pray to himself?  How can he be on the Father's right hand and be the Father too?  You can say God is beyond our knowledge but don't you think he wants us to know who he is?  Jesus said in prayer to his Father, I have made your name known.  As a trinity, I guess you worship Jesus as the only God?  Satan to was referred to as a God.  Anything or being someone worships is considered a God to them.  Jesus, John 3:16 is the only begotten Son of God the Father.  Meaning, the Father alone created him and through him, all else was created.  I know it can be confusing but thanks for your answer.  

 

 
From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-11 1:03 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (34 of 54) 
 39847.34 in reply to 39847.28 

Bob, men wrote the Bible.  They were said inspired by God, but still, men wrote the Bible.  The Encyclopedias are by many learned men who study a lot more than me.  The KJ was not translated until 1611 and by whom?  Not God, but men.  So, to an extent, one has to read what men say.  I agree, use the Bible for reference but to understand portions, you have to confer with people of knowledge.  Now, that said, back to your topic.  Die and go right to Heaven or sleep?  So your belief is when someone dies, they don't really die but go to heaven immediately?

 

 
From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconOct-11 2:17 PM 
To: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)  (35 of 54) 
 39847.35 in reply to 39847.33 

That's as good of an explanation of trinity as I have heard.  However, it still does not show Biblical how the 3 are in fact only one.  There are to many scriptures that depict them as individuals. 

Ginger>The Bible says God is One but the 3 persons allow us to see who He is.  

Rick>Did Jesus pray to himself?

Ginger>Jesus as the Son of God prayed to the Father.

  Rick>How can he be on the Father's right hand and be the Father too?

Ginger>There is a different meaning to sitting on the Father's right hand than what we humans perceive it to be.  Right hand means "power".  Jesus Christ is the power of God.  

  Rick>You can say God is beyond our knowledge but don't you think he wants us to know who he is? 

Ginger>we will never fully know who God is.  We can only know as much as He reveals to us.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known  

Rick>Jesus said in prayer to his Father, I have made your name known.  As a trinity, I guess you worship Jesus as the only God?

Ginger>Jesus came to earth to reveal the Father. Because He is God in the flesh, He deserves our praise.

  Rick>Satan to was referred to as a God.

Ginger>>Only in the New world Bible of the Jehovah Witnesses is Jesus referred to as "a god".   Did u study with them?

  Rick>Anything or being someone worships is considered a God to them.  Jesus, John 3:16 is the only begotten Son of God the Father.  Meaning, the Father alone created him and through him, all else was created.  I know it can be confusing but thanks for your answer. 

Ginger> begotten does not mean that God created Him. Begotten means that He came from the Father .  Jesus is the Word of God made flesh.  When was God without His Word?  Answer: never. 

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-11 6:40 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (36 of 54) 
 39847.36 in reply to 39847.35 
What does begotten mean in the Bible?  Something is begotten when it's been generated by procreation — in other words, it's been fathered. A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce as offspring.  begotten - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com  I realize a trinitarian goes the limit to make their beliefs sound "right" in their minds.  Reasoning and comparison of Bible scriptures shows a different story.  The trinity has been pounded into peoples thinking since the 14th century.  Where do you find "trinity" in the Bible?  Why isn't the Holy Spirit beside God the Father too, since he is also God?  And why doesn't the Son, angels or Holy Spirit know the time of the end, only the Father?   Trinity theory came from people and not the Bible.  It also doesn't make any sense whatsoever.  The title was, When you die, do you go to heaven or sleep?  What you say?  Heaven?  (Against the Bibles teaching of when you're dead, you are just that, dead.  A resurrection therefore is invalidated? 
 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-12 10:18 AM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (37 of 54) 
 39847.37 in reply to 39847.31 

Did you look at the site, she's a hoax...

bob>Is Darby a hoax?

 


 

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-12 10:25 AM 
To: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)  (38 of 54) 
 39847.38 in reply to 39847.34 

Bob, men wrote the Bible.

bob>At the direction of God, that's why the bible codes are amazing and can't be explained. 

  They were said inspired by God, but still, men wrote the Bible.

bob>Have you read the bible front to back? 

  The Encyclopedias are by many learned men who study a lot more than me. 

bob>Why does it get corrected/changed/updated all the time?

The KJ was not translated until 1611 and by whom?  Not God, but men.

bob>I'm not taking about the translation, the KJV did try to do a word for word translation, so i start my bible studies with it and then go to the original languages the bible was written in. 

  So, to an extent, one has to read what men say.  I agree, use the Bible for reference but to understand portions, you have to confer with people of knowledge.

bob>Good point! I study a passage and via the internet I have contacts who are rabbis, run mesums in Israel and Egypt, language experts, religion experts, ancient history experts and so on. To better understand the bible we need to understand the religions, people, cultures, languages, ect of the times and get a lot of good help. 

  Now, that said, back to your topic.  Die and go right to Heaven or sleep?  So your belief is when someone dies, they don't really die but go to heaven immediately?

bob>I'm not sure about that and it's not a salvational issue, so I haven't spent much time on it. Some religions think we lay in death sleep, some right to heaven, what do you think?

 


 

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Oct-12 10:57 AM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (39 of 54) 
 39847.39 in reply to 39847.37 

He may have lived, I ain't studying him.  I'm studying the Bible.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elrBnIh1JKU&t=85s

How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Why do black Democratic congresspersons seem so unhappy with record low black unemployment? Because it might mean unemployment for them. And their lives as political parasites will have been meaningless wastes.
 

 
From: RickT1962 (sthnreb1)Oct-12 2:37 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (40 of 54) 
 39847.40 in reply to 39847.38 

bob>I'm not sure about that and it's not a salvational issue, so I haven't spent much time on it. Some religions think we lay in death sleep, some right to heaven, what do you think?

I believe what the Bible says and teaches.  In Eden, God told Adam and Eve they would die if they ate from one tree.  Satan said they would not but be like God, knowing right and wrong.  They died.  No where does it say they went to heaven or hell.  Rom. 5:12, 17, 19: “Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and DEATH through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. Gen. 3:19: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to DUST YOU WILL RETURN.”
Eccl. 9:10: “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [“the grave,” KJ, Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV], the place to which you are going.”  Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”  Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”  Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
Isa. 26:14: “They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up.”  To me, that is enough Biblical proof to show the dead are just that, dead.  Otherwise it would invalidate a Resurrection since if you were in heaven, you would have already been judged.  There are verses concerning the 144,000 who will serve as kings and priest with Christ in the 1000 year reign and judge.  (They were chosen because they know what being human was and it's pitfalls.)  They do die and their spirit goes immediately to heaven.  Many confuse those with mankind in general in different verses.  You have to consider who is being spoken to also.  The choice is to believe God or Satan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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