One thing I notice is the majority of people refer to Revelation as Revelations. It is not plural or have an s at the end. You may want to make a note of it for future references to Revelation.
bob>Hi, I didn't know that was an issue. I have thought about that before and came to the conclusion there is a series of revelations so that's why it's called that. Does it matter?
I believe since there is not thought or knowledge when one dies, it is the same as before you were born.
bob>How do we know that?
Satan wants people to believe otherwise by saying they don't really die but their spirit lives on. Their spirit is their knowledge and all they know.
It goes back to God to retain for a Resurrection. It is nothing tangible or alive. The Bible states you go back to dust, including the spirit.
bob>The spirit wasn't or isn't dust.
A person is a soul. Ezek. 18:4: “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (RS, NE, KJ,
bob>I think you're saying a "spirit" is the personality and the soul is the living being of a person. I don't know if that was logical, what is your definition?
and Dy all render the Hebrew word ne'phesh in this verse as “soul,” thus saying that it is the soul that dies. Some translations that render ne'phesh as “soul” in other passages use the expression “the man” or “the one” in this verse. So, the ne'phesh, the soul, is the person, not an immaterial part of him that survives when his body dies.)
bob>How we define the "spirit/soul" is important here. I have seen them used either way.
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (The Hebrew word here translated “spirit” is a derivative of ru'ach. Some translators render it “breath.”
bob>After God formed Adam, God breathed life into him, which would mean before that time Adam was an animal type being without a spirit, right?
When that ru'ach, or active life-force, leaves the body, the person’s thoughts perish; they do not continue in another realm.)
bob>In death sleep, the person/soul/spirit is also asleep, I never thought of it as loosing it's memory or personality.
Eccl. 3:19-21: “There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?” (Because of the inheritance of sin and death from Adam, humans all die and return to the dust, as animals do. But does each human have a spirit that goes on living as an intelligent personality after it ceases to function in the body? No; verse 19 answers that humans and beasts “all have but one spirit.” Based merely on human observation, no one can authoritatively answer the question raised in verse 21 regarding the spirit. But God’s Word answers that there is nothing that humans have as a result of birth that gives them superiority over beasts when they die. However, because of God’s merciful provision through Christ, the prospect of living forever has been opened up to humans who exercise faith, but not to animals. For many of mankind, that will be made possible by resurrection, when active life-force from God will invigorate them again.)
Luke 23:46: “Jesus called with a loud voice and said: ‘Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit [Greek, pneu'ma'].’ When he had said this, he expired.” (Notice that Jesus expired. When his spirit went out he was not on his way to heaven. Not until the third day from this was Jesus resurrected from the dead. Then, as Acts 1:3, 9 shows, it was 40 more days before he ascended to heaven. So, what is the meaning of what Jesus said at the time of his death? He was saying that he knew that, when he died, his future life prospects rested entirely with God. The one God, the Father. while among them on his last night of life as a human, he reported to his Father that he had ‘finished the work on earth’ assigned to him and prayed, saying: “Glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was,” saying also, “I am coming to you.” (Joh 17:4, 5, 11) When arrested, he gave similar indication before the Sanhedrin. (Mt 26:64) After his resurrection he told Mary Magdalene: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to MY FATHER and YOUR FATHER and to MY GOD and YOUR GOD.’” (Joh 20:17)
bob>Great post, but I have to clear things up. The first death is the death of the physical body, I guess you're saying the "soul" is that, right? The second death is the death of the spirit, am I right here?