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Police Reform in the US   America - all of it

Started Jun-9 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 2652 views.
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Defund the Police

"Defund the police" means taking funds allocated for police forces across the US and channelling them into other public programs.

Supporters argue that police in America have become a catch-all service responsible for dealing with all of society's problems, something they were never meant to do and are not trained to do.

State and local governments in America spent $US115 billion ($164 billion) on policing in 2017, according to data compiled by the Urban Institute.

Supporters want those funds redirected into things like:

  • Education
  • Housing
  • Mental health support
  • Social services

"When we talk about defunding the police, what we're saying is 'invest in the resources that our communities need," Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza told NBC's Meet the Press.

The idea being that if you properly fund those programs, there won't be a need for police.

Activists say that previous solutions like body cameras and oversight boards have failed to reform police departments and that now is the time to look at systemic solutions to a problem with a long history.

Won't that mean there are zero police?

In most cases, no.

Supporters say the idea is designed to get society thinking about wholesale change to the concept of police as we know them.

"Are we willing to live in fear that our lives will be taken by police officers who are literally using their power in the wrong way?" Garza told Meet the Press.

"Or are we willing to adopt and absorb the fear of what it might mean to change our practices, which will ultimately lead to a better quality of life for everyone?"

There are some groups that support the total abolition of police. One of them is MPD150, a group "working towards a police-free Minneapolis".

"Crime isn't random. Most of the time, it happens when someone has been unable to meet their basic needs through other means," the group writes on its website.

"By shifting money away from the police and toward services that actually meet those needs, we'll be able to get to a place where people won't need to rob banks.

"Sure, in this long transition process, we may need a small specialised class of public servants whose job it is to respond to violent crimes. But part of what we're talking about here is what role police play in our society. Right now, cops don’t just respond to violent crimes; they make needless traffic stops, arrest petty drug users, and engage in a wide range of 'broken windows policing' behaviours that only serve to keep more people under the thumb of the criminal justice system."

The "broken windows" theory of policing is a controversial approach that believes cracking down on minor crimes can prevent serious ones. Groups like Movement for Black Lives have pushed back against the theory, arguing it disproportionally targets communities of colour.

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Has it been done before?

Yep, in a couple of places.

In Eugene, Oregon a program called CAHOOTS (Crisis Assistance Helping Out on the Streets) is now tackling up to 17 per cent of 911 calls that come into the Eugene Police Department.

When a 911 operator receives a mental-health-related call, a member of CAHOOTS is sent out instead of a police officer. CAHOOTS teams are made up of a medic and a crisis worker who are trained to de-escalate situations and help a person move on to the next step of treatment.

In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, New Jersey, the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County.

What about those who oppose it?

US President Donald Trump is firmly against the idea of defunding police forces across America.

"We won't be defunding our police. We won't be dismantling our police. We won't be disbanding our police," Mr Trump said.

"We won't be ending our police force in a city. I guess you might have some cities who want to try but it's going to be very, a very sad situation if they did, because people aren't going to be protected."

Mr Trump has little direct authority over most police in the US, with state and local governments controlling their own departments.

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If it becomes law, the bill would change a wide array of common practices, including:

  • It would eliminate the "qualified immunity" defence for both police and correctional officers where their actions have been deemed unlawful, including in excessive force cases
  • Civil rights protections would be strengthened by making police liable for constitutional violations that are done "knowingly or with reckless disregard"
  • It would restrict the use of lethal force to situations in which it is deemed "necessary" and after all reasonable alternatives have been exhausted
  • Chokeholds and carotid holds, such as the knee-on-neck restraint that killed Mr Floyd, would be banned
  • Racial profiling in federal law enforcement agencies would be prohibited
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From: bml00


This is such nonsense such a waste of time , the police need recruits of the highest calibre , given the best weapons and the best training .

The death of Floyd is dreadful , police killed in the line of action hardly make a line in the Global press


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bml00 said:

the police need recruits of the highest calibre , given the best weapons and the best training .

To do what?

Given their current workload, their training needs to include degrees in:

  • Psychology
  • Pharmacology
  • Crisis Management
  • Women's studies
  • Sociology
  • Economics
  • Black history
  • Latino history
  • Plus a course in conflict resolution

That way they would finally be prepared to deal with drug overdoses, the mentally ill, the homeless, domestic violence and community unrest on top of catching all the criminals.


They could JUST catch the criminals and leave the rest of it to special divisions within the community specifically set up to deal with mental illness.  Or drug addiction.  Or domestic disputes.

That's the idea.


From: bml00


The US society be it right or wrong has the bad guys as well armed as the good guys , most cops are good the same as most soldiers are good .

Cops and Soldiers go through lengthy training and analysis to reach a point where they are accepted , the nature of their  very job in certain circumstances will exasperate even a saint .

These incidents sad as they are bring in two groups one is a group who has never ever been faced with life or death situations BUT BELIEVE they know how they would or should  act the Other group has faced these incidents and know very well that no matter the training the knowledge when fighting for your life whether a policeman on a routine stop or a soldier anywhere will face that moment of truth .

Floyd NEVER deserved to die as he did but until we know the full back ground I will reserve judgement . I visit LA (OR I DID visit LA) OFTEN South LA is somewhere YOU DONT GO AT NIGHT , I stopped for fuel and was met by heavily armed attendants , I entered late night convenient stores and was met with signs that that the staff are armed .

I do not excuse the officers , you must however come to understand the back ground to this and other cases .


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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


One very important thing to consider is that the man who actually knelt on Floyd's neck was TRAINING a rookie cop that day.

bml00 said:

I stopped for fuel and was met by heavily armed attendants , I entered late night convenient stores and was met with signs that that the staff are armed .

And did you see any criminals?

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