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In my experience, they either taught to the top, and left the others behind, or they taught to the bottom and the brilliant students taught themselves. The private school model is much more effective. They teach the classes with challenges for everyone, but if someone is floundering, they pull them out of class, tutor privately and place them back into class the next day. That is remarkably effective with math and science, and gives them a chance to get their other work done in the more literary subjects. Public schools are more of a warehousing effect. The best students rise to the top. Schools that have a lot of overachievers do well in public testing and send students to top colleges. I always thought it was the level of the parental involvement and expectations that make or break a school, not the quality of the teaching. Which is really sad when you think about it like that. And very non PC.
True. I have a neighbor who is a teacher in a neighboring city. She lives here, her kids go to school here, but she says vehemently that she wouldn't teach here and deal with the parents in this city for anything!
Sigh, pretty sure you have accurately described schools in CA. When I was in school (will be 67 in May), we were "tracked", by their definition of ability and the state test results. At some point, that was either declared illegal, or changed when they realized it stigmatized the less stellar students. What you describe as happening in private schools sounds great. The developmental program my kids were in was good at it, too.
Another discussion off topic. Yes I agree with everything you said. It’s really too bad that good ideas get dropped because we can’t have anyone feel discriminated against. I get that, but this shouldn’t about being socially correct. It should be about the best way to get students what they need. Top students can thrive almost anywhere. Give them the material and books, point them in the right direction and they will learn on their own. All they need is guidance and some good classroom lectures. Students who aren’t as good at learning, need a slower pace and more hands on teaching. But why dumb it down for the rest?
I also have a problem with teaching in the child’s native language. They will all benefit by ESL techniques and learn to get up to speed in English as quickly as possible. Then they have access to all teachers and classes, not just limited to teachers who speak their native languages, especially when and if they get to college. Ultimately, they do better in school and in life when they speak English, too. If they become fully bilingual, they end up ahead of native English speakers. But again we can’t make anyone feel bad, so we teach to what is expedient rather than the best solution. I worked for a while in a native Spanish speaking elementary school. They had something like 850 students, many of whom were from transient families. Most spoke Spanish and more than half only Spanish. That meant they were either trying to learn in a language they could not understand or with a somewhat bilingual teacher who often barely spoke Spanish. They could not hire enough teachers who were fully capable in both English and Spanish. I saw huge differences in learning, even though many of the students were capable of learning at grade level. Attendance was also a huge problem. Many parents just did not see the importance of showing up to school daily and in time. 100% of the students got both free breakfast and lunch. Sometimes free food was the only thing that got students to school for the day.
That's something I haven't encountered.
My husband spoke only Portuguese when he went to kindergarten. He wound up perfectly fluent in English, but couldn't speak Portuguese very well. He understood it fine.I think he went to Catholic school. I doubt the teachers spoke Portuguese.
They might have in some communities.
Why is it that Hispanics are often the only groups considered in TOEFL situations? What of all the Asian children that run rampant in school, clobbering every other ethnic group on a regular basis, often with parents with little to no English background, even at home. There is more than a cultural difference, there is a cultural chasm filled with sharks and predators to hear the pundits tell, the Hispanics cannot learn English effectively due to this and that excuse, none of which seems to bother Asian kids overall.
It’s cultural. Many Asian families come here and prize education over everything else. Sometimes the parents are already well educated professionals who may not be able to work in their careers here due to licensing restrictions or other roadblocks. I knew a Chinese family whose four children were all required to attended a full day school on Saturdays. As young children they were not allowed to play unless it was a recognized sport or an educational game. Every free moment was spent reading books above grade level or working math problems. The mom told me she always reminded her children they had many generations to live up to and they must succeed. The first child got into Stanford, so the other three went there, because she wanted them to each have the same opportunities. They insist their children learn English. Compare that to an undedicated family who get here and are working day and night just to support themselves and can barely get by. The parents may never learn English. Most important, Asian immigrants are usually legal and Hispanic are often not, so they spend their lives hiding in plain sight.