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The debate on Climate Change   General Confusion

Started 7/18/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 153296 views.
Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

1/20/18

Yes, the climate changes regardless of the species who inhabit the planet.

But to say that humans bear no responsibility flies in the face of the overwhelming evidence that supports it.

Look at India.

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Also India:

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This is Zabol, in Iran

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Also Iran

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So what's the overwhelming difference?

One place has tonnes of PEOPLE, the other doesn't.

I don't understand how this evidence is (in your mind) wrong.

The pollution is measured.  It exists.  You can SEE it.

The ice age happened because of orbital fluctuations that affected the temperature of the planet.

The climate changes if the overall planetary temperature changes.

If we raise the temperature by cooking the planet and pumping more CO2 and methane into the atmosphere than is normal, then the climate will change.

And we will bear some responsibility for that.

There is nothing we can do to outright STOP climate change.  But we can do our best to NOT exacerbate it.

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

1/25/18

Pollution is not climate.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

1/25/18

Oh for fuck's sake!

There was a hole in the ozone layer caused by CFCs.

People stopped using CFCs.

The hole is closing.

The heath and stability of the atmosphere of the planet is directly related to our protection from the sun's heat and radiation.

If you damage that atmosphere, you endanger the planet.

Pollution damages the atmosphere.

It is actually simpler than you believe.

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

1/26/18

Hooray, so what? Pollution is not climate.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

1/26/18

No.

Pollution is not climate.  I cede that obvious point.

But pollution directly affects climate.

If pollution makes living things sick - then why is the Earth exempt from that sickness?

Life cannot exist on planets within our own solar system if the atmosphere is toxic or nonexistent.

The sun is way too unforgiving and our apple-skin thin atmosphere is our only protection.

Burning that atmosphere away is counterproductive for the future of life on Earth.

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

1/28/18

*heh*

Air pollution delays the age girls start their periods and makes their menstrual cycles more irregular, according to a study

Greenies have been pumping out studies like this for decades.  Car exhaust has got to be bad for you!  It's got those evil microparticles in it.  It does.  But are they harmful and at what concentration are they harmful? The study below does not allow those basic questions to be answered.

It did not in fact measure anybody's exposure to the particles. The researchers just looked at where people lived during their childhood. And if that area had a lot of pollution they theorized that people brought up there should have bad health.  And they found it was so.

But correlation is not causation and they failed to look at WHY some people lived in more polluted areas. But we know why.  Because they were poor. Leafy areas are for rich people.  The poor live where they can afford it, beside major roads, industrial areas etc.

So what we are most likely seeing here is that it is the poor who  have worse health, which has been known for years.

If the researchers had controlled for income they might have had a story but there seems to be no indication that they did.  And the effects they observed were tiny anyway, making it highly likely that any control would wipe them out.

Control for income would only be a first step, however.  I set out some other problems with this sort of study a month ago

Journal abstract follows the summary below



Air pollution delays the age girls start their periods, according to the first study of its kind.

Exposure to total suspended particulate (TSP), which are particles circulating in the air that measure 0.05mm, during girls' teenage years also makes their menstrual cycles less regular, a trial found.

TSP, which is largely made up of vehicle exhaust and coal combustion fumes, is thought to disrupt hormone production in people's bodies.

In females, this can cause excessive amounts of male sex hormones, such as testosterone, which the researchers believe could delay or disrupt girls' periods.

Study author Dr Shruthi Mahalingaiah from Boston University, said: 'While air pollution exposures have been linked to cardiovascular and pulmonary disease, this study suggests there may be other systems, such as the reproductive endocrine system, that are affected as well.'  

Women exposed to air pollution before getting pregnant are nearly 20 percent more likely to have babies with birth defects, research suggested in January 2018.

Living within 5km of a highly-polluted area one month before conceiving makes women more likely to give birth to babies with defects such as cleft palates or lips, a study by University of Cincinnati found.

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

1/28/18

This is odd.

I thought that all the hormones and genetically modified food was making girls develop earlier.

I suppose we could always go back to leaded petrol...

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