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The evidence that Jesus actually existed is pretty weak   Religion

Started Nov-26 by DigYourGig; 783 views.
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From: DigYourGig

Nov-30

I've studied a bit of history. I'm not aware of any of those people you mention sharing the same story as early myths in the same way the Jesus myth does. Julius Caesar's story is different from Peter the Great's, and so on. Whereas the Jesus story is a blatant copy of earlier myths.

They may share elements and embellishments, but are not total copies, like the Jesus story is.

  • Edited November 30, 2017 3:06 pm  by  DigYourGig
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From: MSurkont

Dec-1

There is an article about the reality of Jesu in the latest edition of National Geographic.  I'll be reading it within the next two weeks.

It is possible to believe that a rabble rouser was proclaiming himself the messiah without believing in all that son of god nonsense.  Remember, the jews were waiting a WAR messiah, which might have been the main reason they rejected him.

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

That would be fine, but for the fact that remains that the Jesus story is just a retelling - a blatant ripoff - of older messiah myths, some of them thousands of years older.

By the time the Jesus story was being told, everyone already knew it from previous versions. The early church fathers had a hell of a time trying to explain that away.

It is in recent times that a great number of people are claiming that Jesus is simply a rehash of older pagan secretive religions, and of the religions of dying and rising gods. 

Proponents of this view, known as mythicists, say that Jesus was nothing more than a copy of popular dying and rising fertility gods in various places from around the world, some of these gods would include Tammuz in Mesopotamia, Adonis in Syria, Attis in Asia Minor, and Horus in Egypt.

It has only been in recent times that the mythicist allegations have been re-established due to the rise of the internet and the mass distribution of information from unaccountable, unreliable sources. In this article we are going to examine these parallels, and see whether or not they stand up to scrutiny. So, let us uncover the many reasons ‘why scholars know that Jesus is not a copy of pagan religions’. And when I say “scholars” it is not solely those of a Christian orientation but from diverse other backgrounds as well.

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/01/19/23-reasons-why-scholars-know-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-religions/

In the end, similarities between Jesus and mythological precursors fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. The historical veracity of Jesus is determined from the evidence supporting the reliability of the eyewitness accounts. Jesus is not simply a retelling of the Horus myth

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2017/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

Wrong. Research and knowledge that the Jesus myth is merely a rehash of many other, older messiah myths is NOT a new phenomenon. The problem was apparently in the very early years of the Christian religion, with early church fathers like Tertullian and others struggling to explain away why the Jesus story was so similar to all the other, earlier myths.

In conclusion, the claim that Jesus is a copy of mythological gods originated with authors whose works have been discounted by academia, contain logical fallacies, and cannot compare to the New Testament Gospels, which have withstood nearly 2,000 years of intense scrutiny. The alleged parallels between Jesus and other gods disappear when the original myths are examined. The Jesus-is-a-myth theory relies on selective descriptions, redefined words, and false assumptions.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

We don't have eyewitness accounts of Jesus. We have writings produced decades and hundreds of years later PURPORTING to contain eyewitness accounts. Your Christian apologists are wrong and misleading.

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

What a shock. Christian propagandists dispute the clear facts that the Jesus myth is a rehash of many older myths.

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

The early fathers of the Christian church discussed Mithraism's similarities to Christianity, unfavorably and with the intent to make it appear as if the prescient devil "aped" the coming Christ, based on interpretations of so-called "messianic prophecies" in the Old Testament. In other words, they essentially admitted that these similarities, parallels and correspondences between the religion and biography of the Perso-Roman god Mithra and the Jewish messiah Jesus existed before Christ supposedly lived, and that the Christian savior and religion were therefore unoriginal and not unique.

Mithraism was so popular in the Roman Empire and so similar in important aspects to Christianity that several Church fathers were compelled to address it, disparagingly of course. For example, in his Dialogue with Trypho, patristic writer Justin Martyr (100-c. 165) acknowledged the mysteries of Mithra and claimed in chapter 70 that they were "distorted from the prophecies of Daniel and Isaiah":

And when those who record the mysteries of Mithras say that he was begotten of a rock, and call the place where those who believe in him are initiated a cave, do I not perceive here that the utterance of Daniel, that a stone without hands was cut out of a great mountain, has been imitated by them, and that they have attempted likewise to imitate the whole of Isaiah's words? (Roberts (1870), 2.186)

http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithraism.html

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