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The evidence that Jesus actually existed is pretty weak   Religion

Started Nov-26 by DigYourGig; 749 views.
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From: DigYourGig

Nov-30

The fact that practically every story about Jesus is ripped off from earlier savior & messiah myths -- some even sharing similar names -- leads me to suspect Jesus was no more real a person than Superman or Iron Man.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Nov-30

But using that theory, and the amount of research going into Jesus, can you justify any historical people from that age?

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From: DigYourGig

Nov-30

What historical persons have stories that are nearly completely ripped off from early myths, using similar names, the same events, the same number of followers, the same numerical oddities, etc.?

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From: DigYourGig

Nov-30

The God Who Wasn't There

http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Who-Wasnt-There/dp/B000CAPZBC Video uploaded for educational purposes protected by S.107 of the U.S.C. Former fundamentalist Ch...

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Nov-30

G=G+1 a negative answer is not a valid response, but I will answer it anyway. 

Julius Caesar, and emperoros of Rome, Egyptian Pharaoghs, Menelaus and Agamemnon of Sparta, Alexander the Great, to name a few before Jesus, and

of those that followed him too many to mention. All the kings of Scotland, England, and the U.K., Ireland, France, popes from noble families, Mohammid, Rulers of Aethiopia, the Barca family, 

The majority of the premedieval and post apostolic saints, Tsars of Russia, leaders of the Huns, and other invaders of Europe, Moctezuma, the Inca,, and the ancestors of most

African dynasties. George Washington, Note that is most or if not all of these cases the historic peerson, might not even be responsible but his followeers were, as in Chris´s sake.

Today, Trump is doing the same thing, creating both a myth about himself, an a negative myth abot his predecesors, to justify his existance.

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From: DigYourGig

Nov-30

I've studied a bit of history. I'm not aware of any of those people you mention sharing the same story as early myths in the same way the Jesus myth does. Julius Caesar's story is different from Peter the Great's, and so on. Whereas the Jesus story is a blatant copy of earlier myths.

They may share elements and embellishments, but are not total copies, like the Jesus story is.

  • Edited November 30, 2017 3:06 pm  by  DigYourGig
MSurkont

From: MSurkont

Dec-1

There is an article about the reality of Jesu in the latest edition of National Geographic.  I'll be reading it within the next two weeks.

It is possible to believe that a rabble rouser was proclaiming himself the messiah without believing in all that son of god nonsense.  Remember, the jews were waiting a WAR messiah, which might have been the main reason they rejected him.

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From: DigYourGig

Dec-1

That would be fine, but for the fact that remains that the Jesus story is just a retelling - a blatant ripoff - of older messiah myths, some of them thousands of years older.

By the time the Jesus story was being told, everyone already knew it from previous versions. The early church fathers had a hell of a time trying to explain that away.

It is in recent times that a great number of people are claiming that Jesus is simply a rehash of older pagan secretive religions, and of the religions of dying and rising gods. 

Proponents of this view, known as mythicists, say that Jesus was nothing more than a copy of popular dying and rising fertility gods in various places from around the world, some of these gods would include Tammuz in Mesopotamia, Adonis in Syria, Attis in Asia Minor, and Horus in Egypt.

It has only been in recent times that the mythicist allegations have been re-established due to the rise of the internet and the mass distribution of information from unaccountable, unreliable sources. In this article we are going to examine these parallels, and see whether or not they stand up to scrutiny. So, let us uncover the many reasons ‘why scholars know that Jesus is not a copy of pagan religions’. And when I say “scholars” it is not solely those of a Christian orientation but from diverse other backgrounds as well.

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/01/19/23-reasons-why-scholars-know-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-religions/

In the end, similarities between Jesus and mythological precursors fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. The historical veracity of Jesus is determined from the evidence supporting the reliability of the eyewitness accounts. Jesus is not simply a retelling of the Horus myth

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2017/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

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