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Started 3/30/22 by gunter; 44100 views.

From: gunter


I can't believe they would use an actual contact number in the recording for leos to trace them. It's just something  to make it sound real?

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From: gunter


Soup tonight

Knockwurst to go with soup. The supermarket has Hebrew National and Boar's Head, both with a salty beefy flavor, or Stahl Meyer Jumbo Beef Knockwurst, nice fat pale cylinders of processed meat, spices, and corn syrup solids for added viscosity and improved texture. Now how is that any different than the idea of growing slabs of meat in labs using animal cells. Differentiated cells, cells that know what they want to be when they grow up, like a nice piece of loin.

I can see it in markets now. A neat plastic pack of hygienically sealed chicken slab, or even fish! Manufacturers can fine-tune the chemicals they feed the cells and market the latest craze for bear haunch with a tantalizing hint of blueberries. Don't know why that upsets some people. We'll grow meat without having to kill all those animals and reduce the pollution they cause to boot. We could even have some artificial bones for the cells to grow on, doubling as a nutrient distribution system to reach all the juicy muscle tissue; I wouldn't want to give up on stewed meaty bones.

Growing small nuggets of meat looks to be the easier than growing slaps of meat which requires surmounting the difficulty of supplying blood to distant parts. "Cells become necrotic if separated for long periods by more than 0.5 mm from a nutrient supply." Now doesn't that sound ominous? Processing meat nuggets is the way to go, forming them into patties for hamburger or stuffed into sausages. And not to forget, producing cultured meat this way lets you fine tune what's in it. precisely control fats, vitamins etc..

Well, in the meantime I go for the Stahl Meyer Jumbo Beef Knockwurst which has a very satisfying mouth filling white taste and goes well with one can of Progresso minestrone and one can of lentil soup, mixed, good as I discovered one day when I wasn't looking. We slather the wurst with dijon, tear at some Portuguese bread and try not to slurp while we watch the world go by on the news tonight.



From: greenie225


Just make sure your 30-year-old car's warranty has not expired.

I love my ancient car.  Have had it 27 years...


From: greenie225


I think it might be upsetting to some because of the Frankenstein Factor -- growing meat, eww.

But I am with you on not having to kill sentient beings.  I don't eat meat, so this grosses me out.  

My cats are carnivores, tho.  We need meat (eww).

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From: gunter


That was from 15, 16 years ago. By now they're ready to roll it out and I see that even USDA has pronounced it safe.  Still expensive.  Definitely too expensive for cats who would love it I'm sure. Looks delicious in this:

  • Edited May 4, 2023 3:53 pm  by  gunter

From: bshmr


I bought and liked Quorn mycoprotein grounds, chicken, & burgers. Pets liked them too.  One of their burger products was like very lean pressed beef. 


From: gunter


Don't know why they picked a mammoth, but  actually accomplishing this feat certainly opens vast possibilities. Note the mention that no one has tasted this huge meatball since they don't know how ancient dna would jibe with our modern digestive system.

That is why my friend uses Siberian Tigers for his cultured meat ...

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From: gunter



As noted above, no one has tried tasting that mammoth meatball since they were unsure how our bodies would react to thousand year old genes. That's why a friend of mine uses Siberian Tiger dna instead. He's the son of a billionaire prepper. His dad carved a huge survival bunker into the schist upstate New York but was never able to get much use out it, he died before doomsday. My friend was stuck with the underground complex and decided to turn it into his personal lab and experiment with lab grown, invitro meat.

He won't tell anyone exactly where this bunker is located but keeps teasing with details of an elaborate living area, large dining room and of course the lab he installed. As he explains it, instead of growing cells in a petri dish, he devised a way to grow small nubs of meat using hybrid grape vine. When the grape nubs start to grow he injects them with Siberian tiger cells which take over the innards of grape and suck up all the nutrients that way. He gets only small nuggets but it's easy to lob off the nubs when they're 'ripe', then gently squeeze them and out pops the meat! Mush them together in the conventional way to form hamburgers and stuff sausages. You can't really grow slabs of meat because it's difficult to supply large pieces with the nutrients. "Cells become necrotic if separated for long periods by more than 0.5 mm from a nutrient supply." Now that sounds ominous, doesn't it?

What about the necrotic part I asked him, are you sure this is safe to eat? Not to worry he said, he fed the meat to lab rats and pigeons for months to make sure it was safe and the inspectors from the USDA were impressed. He should be able to go public soon and sent me a pix of his latest harvest.

Well, since it's safe I suggested that instead of just making patties how about putting together one of my favorites: steak tartar ... vitroTartar. And then it hit me, the big idea: vitroPearls!tm®© Salt and cure the 'pearls', just like caviar. [He promised to give me credit, but just in case tm®© .... whichever is appropriate.]

It's been months now and he's ready, RSVP for a tasting, finally gives detailed directions .... don't tell anyone! ... to the secret location upstate. Look for the barn he said. After an hour and a half I end up bumping down a long dirt road and there is a barn. You've got to be kidding! I think I've been had? It looks like the next storm would knock it down, but in the lot is a decidedly upscale set of cars, even a couple of chauffeurs milling about.


  • Edited May 7, 2023 8:47 pm  by  gunter
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From: gunter


I head to the barn. In the back is a heavy-duty door with a light behind it. Stone steps lead down.

... and there is my friend waiting at the bottom of the steps.

He shows us into a comfortable looking room with a few tables

A friendly waitress with wine glasses says hello.

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From: gunter


... and here come the vitroPearls!tm®©

ooops ... let's try that again ... here come the vitroPearls!tm®©

my portion ...

So what did it taste like? In the mouth pearls pop with just a bit of tongue pressure, then melt into a satifying meaty feeling, savourly salty. There is a faint flavor similar to wild boar? Ham? I ate my small portion mostly with the spoon, finishing the juices with the blini.

To top it off my friend surprised me with a bottle of Piesporter Treppchen, dry with a hint of sweetness. My Granma used to mention that one often so many years ago. Nice. The new and the old.

heading back home now into the City ...