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What's Wrong with Wind and Solar?   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started 2/22/21 by WALTER784; 108866 views.
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Aug-24

They don’t perform well except to save money on gas. But at what cost?

 
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LOL... That's just the point. They're really just a lemon!

They don't work in cold weather, and I don't think anybody would call 86F extremely hot. Over 100F perhaps, but not 86F!

That said, the quicker their batteries drain out, the more energy they require from the power grid to recharge.

And as less than 10% of cars today are EV, we don't even produce enough solar and wind power to charge even that less than 10%. Which means they require on fossil fuel or nuclear fuel production to charge them. Therefore, if we went 100% EV, we would have to increase fossil fuel or nuclear fuel electricity production by 5 or 6 fold just to power all the EVs. 

And that doesn't even touch on all the damage to the earth to mine the rare minerals required to make the batteries and the solar panels either. If you add that in... just sticking with 100% fossil fuel cars would be much easier on our environment!

Going hybrid however, will cut fossil fuel usage and emissions quite a bit. 

EVs are a lemon!

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My friend bought three different ones before finding one they could use. It seemed extravagant but other families members took or bought them.

 
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Aug-25

Not sure why they had to buy 3 to find one they could use.

That sounds like they couldn't use 2 of them. I've used every car I've ever bought. 

Extravagant... yes... very... but I cannot imagine somebody buying a 3rd one after not being able to use the first two!

Your electricity bill will increase after you buy them. Even though your gas bill will become $0, but in both winter and summer, the charge doesn't last long which means you need to charge the car more quickly requiring more electricity. 

For short trips around town... yes, they'll do, but try driving from Florida to North Carolina, or LA to Vegas, or San Diego to San Francisco, or Dallas to Houston, or New Orleans to Chicago, or... I think you're getting the point... they're not very good for long hauls.

Spending a lot more money for a car with that many drawbacks just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever!

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They didn't care for the different models.  I never could get a clear answer out of them.  The wife drove the cars and didn't care for them.

 
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EV Fail: Car Dealers Turning Away From Electric Vehicles After Learning Harsh Economics Lesson

By George C. Upper III, The Western Journal
Aug. 28, 2023 5:15 pm

Car dealerships are telling auto manufacturing companies that they have more than enough electric vehicles in stock and don’t want more on their lots until the current inventory sells.
 
Nonetheless, those same manufacturing companies are producing more electric vehicles than ever before, according to Insider.
 
Manufacturers are “asking us to make a large investment,” Scott Kunes, the chief operating officer of Kunes Auto and RV Group, told Insider, “and we’re just wanting to see some return on that investment.”
 
Kunes’ company was founded in 1996 and sells foreign and domestic cars and recreational vehicles at “over 40” locations in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin, according to the company’s website.
 
“We have turned away EV inventory,” Kunes said. “We need to ensure that we have a good turn on it.”
 
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An inventory “turn” is a measure of how quickly a retailer call sell product equal in value to everything in its stock; automotive digital marketing company Max Digital says the typical retailer is looking to turn his inventory 12 times annually.
 
Insider said that dealerships already had 54 days’ of inventory on hand a couple of months ago, but that EV inventory was more than twice that — almost four months’ worth.
 
It wasn’t all that long ago, before manufacturers ramped up EV production, that it could be difficult to find one even for a test drive, never mind one available for purchase.
 
That’s changed. Other dealers told Insider that they, too, were turning additional inventory away until they could sell what was already on their lots or that they planned to soon.
 
The pool of consumers wealthy enough to afford an EV and risk-tolerant enough to be willing to be an early adopter of EV technology has largely bought what it’s going to buy, Insider reported.
 
“It’s not just that these vehicles are expensive — which they are,” Sam Fiorani, the vice president of global vehicle forecasting at AutoForecast Solutions, told the outlet. “We’re talking about a much more nuanced lifestyle change.”
 
Fiorani explained that EV’s offer a significantly different “ownership experience,” because of the typically lower range a vehicle gets from a single charge and unavailability of charging locations relative to gas stations.
 
“It’s hard for the average customer to make that leap while spending an extra $10,000,” he said.
 
Demand, therefore, is falling even as automakers are increasing supply.
 
“The only Toyotas I have that aren’t presold are the electric ones, the bZ4X, and that’s a little bit of a challenge,” Adam Lee, the chairman of the board at Lee Auto Malls in Maine, told Insider.
 
According to the numbers, EV sales made up about 6 percent of auto sales in 2022 and were projected to be significantly higher than that in 2023, Insider said in an earlier report.
 
That rate of increase, however, was not considered sustainable.
 
“The spectacular growth we’ve seen over the last few years cannot be sustained. It’s just not possible,” Fiorini told Insider earlier this month. “The further up this growth curve we go, the harder it’s going to be to get to the next level.”

EV Fail: Car Dealers Turning Away From Electric Vehicles After Learning Harsh Economics Lesson | The Gateway Pundit | by George C. Upper III, The Western Journal

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I heard a passing news story about manufacturers not wanting to produce as many EVs but they are pressured into it. 

 
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Pressure from our draconian government?

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The government and public opinion. 

 
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Sep-5

Showtalk said...

The government and public opinion. 

With the public opinion being formed and swayed by the liberal news media controlled by the government and Big Tech censoring any other opinion the government doesn't like.

Bottom line: The government runs the whole show... including public opinion!

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