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Oil shortages cause surge in petroleum based products, toys, plastics   The Consumer You: Marketplace

Started 4/29/21 by Showtalk; 2835 views.
The_Rock (JABRONI256)

From: The_Rock (JABRONI256) 

4/29/21

Voted other, I think it's an interesting case study for environmentalists who are "soft" activists, people who talk a good game like stopping the extraction and production of fossil fuels but don't realize much of their life is dependant on petroleum products, on the other hand I think scarce resources does allow us to wean ourselves and look for alternatives we never considered before and can lead to innovation so I think there can be advantages here if we seek them out.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

4/30/21

When crude oil prices increase, all crude oil burning plants (coal & oil electric plants) which increases electricity producing costs, steel plants which increases the price of steel and other metal products, engine oil and transmission oil prices which affect cars, buses, trucks, tractors, bulldozers, other heavy machinery equipment which has engines and/or transmissions, all increase. And then you have the price of gas and other byproducts of crude oil increases as well.

And just remember, all the vehicles that transport products (18-wheelers and other vans, trucks, etc.) will also have to pay more for their gas and oil replacements so anything transported by something with a non-electric engine will have their transport costs increase as well. That translates into higher grocery, department store, restaurant, you name it prices as well.

We don't need to be oil dependent upon a foreign country... we could go back to local production which would drastically reduce all of the above mentioned prices... so the price increase must be stopped ASAP as it's not necessary! Only desired by current administration!!! But it affects everybody... both Democrats and Republicans alike!!!

FWIW

 

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

4/30/21

If strict regulations and lack of incentive doesn’t stop innovation.  People say they want to stop the use of plastics everywhere, but plastics are used in medical devices, in pretty much every electronic device and gadget. Petroleum is used in our clothing, fabrics and yarn are made from petroleum.  Alternatives, like bamboo, can also become scarce.  There are many things we can’t do without.

It’s fascinating that some states, like California, banned plastic bags. Then covid hit and suddenly reusable bags were full of bacteria and germs and markets went back to plastic.  The feel-good decisions often end up being bad for people.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

4/30/21

Now they are blaming a lack of truck drivers for the oil,and gas shortages.  Why drive a dangerous truck around the country when one can stay home and get “free” money.  Industries that expected people to want to get back to work can’t find enough people to take their jobs.  Driving flammable liquids takes a special kind of training and license so they can’t just hire any driver.

The_Rock (JABRONI256)

From: The_Rock (JABRONI256) 

4/30/21

My point exactly, it’s in everything and we would need to really root out new alternatives, which could be just as scarce or prone to shortages as current resources.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

4/30/21

It turns out some of the alternatives cause even more pollution.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

5/1/21

Showtalk said...

Why drive a dangerous truck around the country when one can stay home and get “free” money.  Industries that expected people to want to get back to work can’t find enough people to take their jobs.  Driving flammable liquids takes a special kind of training and license so they can’t just hire any driver.

All kinds of static electricity discharge straps, pressure release valves, non-sparking specially coated metals, etc. It's not as dangerous as one might expect. Yes, they do require special training, but that's mainly for extra caution driving as well as for training on how to put out a fire using special Potassium sulfate mixture. But it is actually quite safe. They've been driving our roads now for 70 some odd years and only a few major incidents have happened and they improved the technology after each and every incident since.

If they don't deliver gasoline to the gas stations, how could you pump your car with gas? They've been around for ages.

The reason they can't find drivers is that the current incentive to not work pays more than their actual hazard salary pays them. So they stay at home collecting more money from the government handouts rather than on the road doing what they should be.

We didn't have a driver shortage under Trump because he wasn't paying such a nice stipend as Biden's new payouts do!

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

5/1/21

The stipends will end. I read somewhere every $1400 check sent out costs taxpayers $14,000.

Showtalk said:

It’s fascinating that some states, like California, banned plastic bags. Then covid hit and suddenly reusable bags were full of bacteria and germs and markets went back to plastic. The feel-good decisions often end up being bad for people.

Somehow the word "Schadenfreude" comes to mind.

However - we really do need to get a handle on one-time-use plastics that then end up stuck in the mesquite thorns and barbed wire fences by the thousands after every wind storm. There needs to be a convenient place to dispose of the stuff so it can be re-melted into pellets and made into new things.

Problem is the contaminants and mixing that happens in ordinary uses, and the blended co-extrusions and such that are nearly impossible to separate with present technologies in an economical fashion.

Until that break-even threshold is reached, we will continue to have a Faustian choice of continued plastic pollution versus the collapse of modern civilization.

Showtalk said:

Industries that expected people to want to get back to work can’t find enough people to take their jobs. Driving flammable liquids takes a special kind of training and license so they can’t just hire any driver.

Worse than that even. A lot of those licenses and proficiency renewals lapsed during the long lockdowns. Same with various other highly skilled jobs involving licensing and periodic proficiency exams to stay current. Aircraft mechanics, pilots, hazmat drivers, and others, due to this, are now in short supply. Same for the examiners and such who administer the periodic tests to be sure the people remain highly proficient and up to date.

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