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Started Jun-3 by WALTER784; 796 views.
WALTER784

Poll Question From WALTER784

Jun-3

Is "COVID-19 was created in a Wuhan Lab" conspiracy theory or not?
  • Yes, it's a conspiracy theory.3  votes
    20%
  • No, it's not a conspiracy theory.12  votes
    80%
Yes, it's a conspiracy theory. 
No, it's not a conspiracy theory. 
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WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Wuhan Lab Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory Is Bogus, According to, Uh, Everyone

The WHO and Dr. Anthony Fauci have both poured cold water on the conspiracy theory Trump and Mike Pompeo are spreading.

President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s claims that the coronavirus originated in a Wuhan lab are getting little support elsewhere, with the World Health Organization, Western intelligence sources and even Trump’s top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci all saying there is no evidence to back the theory.

Trump made the claims at a White House press briefing last Thursday, claiming he had seen evidence that COVID-19 had originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo doubled-down on Sunday, saying there was “enormous evidence” to back up the theory.

But the narrative has found little support elsewhere, with leading health and intelligence authorities pushing back on the claim and saying the evidence pointed elsewhere.

“If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, (the scientific evidence) is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated,” Dr. Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told National Geographic in an interview published Monday.

“Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that (this virus) evolved in nature and then jumped species.”

The World Health Organization — which Trump slammed last week as acting “like the public relations agency for China” — also dismissed the president’s claims Monday, describing the theory as “speculative.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kpzv4/trumps-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-is-bogus-according-to-uh-everyone

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From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Scientists reject conspiracy theory of coronavirus origin

"We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

BEIJING, July 30 (Xinhua) -- As COVID-19 is still ravaging the world, top scientists have rejected a conspiracy theory claiming that the novel coronavirus was made in a lab.

Earlier in the month, the U.S. State Department released an internal cable from 2018 saying that the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China "has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," The Washington Post reported.

Some Western politicians, who have been peddling the conspiracy theory that the virus escaped from the Chinese lab since the outbreak of the pandemic, deem the cable as a piece of evidence for their unproven speculation.

However, Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University, emphasized that people should not draw too much from the cable's claims, according to the report.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-07/30/c_139251763.htm

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From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Did COVID-19 escape from a lab?

A frenzy of speculation has arisen around the idea that the novel coronavirus responsible for the global COVID-19 pandemic might originally have escaped from a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

While there is so far no evidence being offered to support this suggestion, the fact that the mere possibility is being reported in mainstream media outlets like the Washington Post and Yahoo News might seem to give credence to earlier conspiracy theories about the virus being engineered in a biowarfare laboratory and deliberately released into the human population.

But don’t be fooled. Whether the virus first infected humans at the infamous Wuhan “wet market” or somehow took a more complicated route via a so far unidentified Chinese laboratory, the ultimate source of the novel coronavirus is still the same: wild populations of bats.

The bat connection

None of the current speculation changes the one fact that is established beyond reasonable doubt — SARS-CoV-2 is a zoonotic virus, meaning it came from an animal and jumped into the human population.

It appears that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is currently under suspicion because its scientists were studying bat coronaviruses in order to evaluate the possibility of the emergence of just such a pandemic as is currently underway.

Indeed, it is thanks to their work that we know that SARS-CoV-2 is 96 percent “identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus” (to quote from a Feb. 3 Nature paper co-authored by the institute’s scientists) and that its most likely original host is the horseshoe bat.

An investigation by the United States military into the origins of the virus, while noting the high degree of “speculation and rumor” around the issue,  concurred that “the weight of evidence seems to indicate ‘natural.'”

That the virus has natural origins is also apparent from its molecular structure. Scientists writing in Nature Medicine journal on March 17 made clear that “all notable SARS-CoV-2 features” were also observed “in related coronaviruses in nature” and that therefore “we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”

As Josie Golding, epidemics lead at the UK-based Wellcome Trust, pointed out: The findings “are crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus.”

In the Nature Medicine paper, the scientists reach the definitive conclusion that SARS-CoV-2 is “the product of natural evolution,” Golding added, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

Letting Trump off the hook?

Would that it were so simple. All the news reports thus far rely on anonymous sources within the Trump Administration and the intelligence community — and the former have a strong interest in hyping Chinese responsibility in order to divert the spotlight from Trump’s own chaotic, slow and ill-informed response to the pandemic.

A New York Times investigation published on April 11 looked in particular at the role of Matthew Pottinger, a former Wall Street Journal correspondent who is a noted China hawk and now deputy national security adviser in the Trump Administration.

As the NYT reported, Pottinger and colleagues urged the CIA and other agencies to search for evidence that might “bolster his theory” that the “virus may have originated in one of the laboratories in Wuhan studying deadly pathogens” — even though “they didn’t have any evidence” to support such a contention.

The Times report also reveals that “Mr. Pottinger and others — including aides to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — pressed for government statements to use the term ‘Wuhan Virus’” in order to help seal the impression of direct Chinese responsibility.

This “Wuhan Virus” insult infuriated Beijing, leading one Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson to spin his own retaliatory conspiracy theory about the origins of COVID-19 — that it was brought to China by the US military.

The spat has continued with Trump’s latest move to defund the World Health Organization, ostensibly because it has been too sympathetic to the Chinese leadership, but again, more likely in reality aimed to deflect attention from his own missteps.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/04/did-covid-19-escape-from-a-lab/

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WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Facebook and Twitter both banned anybody who attempted to say anything other than it was a conspiracy theory! Literally hundreds of thousands of peoples posts were flagged and those user accounts were frozen.

Social Media About Face: Facebook Won’t Remove Claims Covid Was Man-Made

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2021/05/28/social-media-about-face-facebook-wont-remove-claims-covid-was-man-made/?sh=4c1159016aa1

Bottom line: For close to a year, people were being banned for telling the truth by Facebook and Twitter. You were unable to hear the truth because these big tech giants removed yours and millions of others freedom of telling the truth!

Delete your Facebook and Twitter accounts now! They have hidden important information from you.

So what do you do after deleting your Facebook and Twitter accounts, you create a new forum here on Delphiforums and ask all your Facebook and Twitter buddies to join you here!

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Jun-3

The original virus came from somewhere, was modified amd then escaped. I heard it was mostly likely through a researcher who took bars that had been exposed and rather than destroying them allowed them to be sold as food.  A man named Nicholas Wade has done a lot of research into this.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Showtalk said...

The original virus came from somewhere

Man-made or from animals?

Showtalk said...

was modified amd then escaped

Modified by animals or humans?

Showtalk said...

I heard it was mostly likely through a researcher who took bars that had been exposed and rather than destroying them allowed them to be sold as food.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that.

Showtalk said...

A man named Nicholas Wade has done a lot of research into this.

I would have to look into that before I make any further comment.

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Jun-3

They said the woman who headed the research allowed someone to sell bats at the food market. They had proof. They also said they were wearing level 3 hazmat gear when they needed level 4.

Dee (DLAINEDEE)

From: Dee (DLAINEDEE) 

Jun-3

No, it was made in the lab.  No doubts.  It was released from the lab, whether accidental or on purpose, we may never know that part of the story.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Jun-3

Showtalk said...

They said the woman who headed the research allowed someone to sell bats at the food market

That was back when the original story said the virus came from the wet markets. But that has since been proven false for several reasons.

None of the bats in captivity had the same strain that infects humans. They have searched for over 1 year in attempt to catch the bat that did have the strain found in humans, but to no avail. (i.e. no patient zero or animal zero discovered.)

Jul. 15, 2020 >>>The authors of the report are investigating the theory that the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) started with a leak from the WIV given the fact that extensive research on SARS-like coronaviruses from bats was being carried out at the time in a biosafety level 4 lab. To date, Shi Zhengli, also known as "Bat Woman," the director for the WIV's Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, denies that the virus leaked from her lab but has failed to allow a team of international experts to inspect the facility or have unhindered access to its records.<<< https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3934444

Wuhan was in not only a lock down, but an entire shut down of mobile phone cell towers in Mid Oct. 2019. Three major cell phone towers around the Wuhan lab reported absolutely zero (no connections from any mobile phones what so ever). Even if you don't use your cell phone, if you have it turned on... it will attempt to search for and lock on to a nearby antenna so that when you want to use your cell phone, you already have an antenna uplink. But for several weeks in Oct 2019, three cell towers show absolutely zero (zilch, notta) connectivity to any one of the three nearby towers. Wuhan has a populace of approximately 11 Million people. And all of a sudden, for two weeks in Oct 2019, 3 mobile phone cell towers were active but not receiving signals at all.

This is when the first outbreak seems to have occurred... Oct 2019, but China didn't report it to the WHO until Jan 2020!

But the wet market story said that the outbreak occurred towards the end of Dec 2019... 2 months later.

FWIW

  • Edited June 3, 2021 11:11 pm  by  WALTER784
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