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Should our desert communities make water from air?   The Consumer You: Marketplace

Started Jun-30 by Showtalk; 9237 views.
WALTER784 said:

Antibody tests offered today only test for 1 single COVID germ within your entire body.

They run it through too many PCR amplification stages. That has been a problem since the beginning.

Allegedly if they suspect an active infection now, they let it run for many fewer stages, maybe around 14 to 16 doubling steps less, which requires between 16,384 to 65,536 Covid viruses to trigger a positive test.

With Delta infections producing a load of 1000x or so of whatever prior strains would produce, the less sensitive set tests are going to have a more reliable detection if someone is really infected.

They're learning.

And now they aren't bothering to test unless there's symptoms or a need to be sure one isn't infected.

So nowadays, more of the positive tests are real positives, and far fewer false positives.

Then antibody tests, which are quite specific, are useful not only to tell if someone has been infected in the past, but also if they have been vaccinated, since the vaccine itself introduces a fake virus look-alike to trigger antibody production in anticipation of future virus exposure.

A positive antibody test is very much like a positive tuberculosis test. It means you have been exposed to something that triggered antibody production. Then a test for the virus distinguishes a vaccination or prior infection versus an active infection.

And if there is an active infection, there has to be more than one virus to get enough to sequence the genome to identify the strain.

Maybe the vaccine there was administered too late, and exposure happened before the immune system had fully gotten primed to repel an infection.

They warned us here with the Phizer one that after you get your first shot, you are still somewhat susceptible. After the 2nd shot, it takes another couple of weeks to truly have sufficient immunity, and an early infection will still knock you on your butt.

Once it's about 2 to 6 weeks past the 2nd shot, then breakthrough infections here are quite rare.

Of course all of it is a dice roll. Vaccines load the dice in your favor as far as risk of actual infection, ,and of the severity if you get a breakthrough infection.

A few percent are still going to get a breakthrough infection, but those odds are far better than totally unprotected.

Kind of like how we learned that a condom is only about 85% effective - most of that is the probability of it breaking if things get too vigorous, or one doesn't extract everything properly afterwards.

If it doesn't break or leak or spill, the probability of an unwanted pregnancy becomes so low that you'd wonder if it was another miraculous immaculate conception if it happens.

Of course the knuckle draggers who would probably get too wild and break one, are the ones who then struggled financially with all those consequential expenses and years of exhaustion followed by college costs and the "boomerang kids" that move back in until they turn 40 or so.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Aug-7

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

They run it through too many PCR amplification stages. That has been a problem since the beginning.

And it's still a problem as they've done nothing to correct that problem.

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

Allegedly if they suspect an active infection now, they let it run for many fewer stages, maybe around 14 to 16 doubling steps less, which requires between 16,384 to 65,536 Covid viruses to trigger a positive test.

Allegedly... yeah... that sure gives me a lot of confidence!!!

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

With Delta infections producing a load of 1000x or so of whatever prior strains would produce, the less sensitive set tests are going to have a more reliable detection if someone is really infected.

That's just it... they are not measuring the load... so they have no way of knowing what prior strains produced. And as such, their reliability is still quite low... even though you said "more reliable"!

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

So nowadays, more of the positive tests are real positives, and far fewer false positives.

But last year... they were counting the false positives as well to purposefully inflate the actual numbers. As if they knew prior that many false positives were being produced but not mentioning it. But now that others have discovered those false positives, they have to come clean and perform less tests but even then... we don't know how many false positives are still being counted. They're not that forthcoming with the true data.

There is still a lot that must be learned about COVID and the newer delta strains as well as continued research into vaccines that may work better for the delta variant. 

And as they've not yet tested the load... that too needs to be completed as well.

In the mean time, including the information they've hidden in the past along with we don't know what they might still be hiding and the false positives and the less that expected results of the delta variant, we're to blindly believe and do exactly what the government says and take this "experimental" drug? 

FWIW

WALTER784

From: WALTER784 

Aug-7

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

Maybe the vaccine there was administered too late, and exposure happened before the immune system had fully gotten primed to repel an infection.

They warned us here with the Phizer one that after you get your first shot, you are still somewhat susceptible. After the 2nd shot, it takes another couple of weeks to truly have sufficient immunity, and an early infection will still knock you on your butt.

Once it's about 2 to 6 weeks past the 2nd shot, then breakthrough infections here are quite rare.

Israel started their first Phizer vaccinations on Dec 19, 2020 and by Jun 26, 2021, more than 64% of their population had already been fully vaccinated. I heard later that they were up to 79% or 80% vaccinated by the end of Jul, 2021.

They are now administering a 3rd shot due to the high infection rate from those who have already been vaccinated.

FWIW

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From: Showtalk 

Aug-8

A friend works in a hospital and their ER has no covid cases, unlike a year ago, when it was constantly at max capacity.

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From: Showtalk 

Aug-8

That is a good description.

Showtalk said:

A friend works in a hospital and their ER has no covid cases, unlike a year ago, when it was constantly at max capacity.

I wish we didn't have so many nincompoops out here who think that if they get any of the vaccines, they'll become autistic or it will make them gay or it will give them erectile dysfunction, or it lets the CIA use 5G towers to beam brain waves at them.

If there weren't so many of them, we probably wouldn't, statistically, have any Covid admissions this late in the game with a population base in in the 26 counties making up this part of West Texas.

But with Delta, no vaccination is like coating vegetation with a thin misting of diesel fuel, so a spark will burn fiercely where it lands, and it takes a lot more to suppress fire propagation than it was with just dry vegetation.

Looking for a T shirt that says "Too chicken to get vaccinated?" - playing off on those afraid of needles, from a blood donation drive circa 1978. They said "Too chicken to give blood?" and shows a squawking chicken. And follows with "What if you need it?"

Thanks.

A more accurate detail of how the mRNA vaccines work, is they have a certain amount of messenger RNA, which is a protein manufacturing code sequence, that gets into a few cells and instructs them to produce protein spikes that look like the Covid virus, and circulate them into the bloodstream.

The mRNA is a one time use material. It doesn't reproduce, and so within about 12 to 24 hours, it has done its job and is then broken down in the body.

The protein spikes, being alien, cause the immune system to see them and attack them. These are usually gone within a couple of days, but they caused antibodies that are now specific to the Covid-19 virus to be manufactured by the immune system.

The second dose a few weeks later, wakes up the cells that produce antibodies, and cause them to sound the alarm again - "Zeroes on the horizon! General quarters! Battle stations!"

The "Zeroes" turn out to actually be drones that look like a squadron of Zeroes in an attack formation.. A few anti-aircraft rounds are fired off, and the crews now know what an attack looks like, without the ship taking any bombs, torpedoes, or bullets from a strafing run.

And so now they have become battle hardened without taking casualties, so when a wave of Zeroes do show up with live ammo to try and sink them, now they've gotten some target practice, they've worked out the kinks of loading and aiming the guns, their pilots have gotten better at dogfighting and much better at hitting the enemy.

And the battle goes far better than a surprise attack against a ship with a green crew only fresh from boot camp.

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From: Showtalk 

Aug-8

We have friends here who won’t get it for very good reasons. Some can’t, others won’t.  It’s always that way.

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From: Showtalk 

Aug-8

Such a simple explanation yet there are many many skeptics, not just here.

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