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Fair Elections   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started 11/11/21 by WALTER784; 164730 views.
WALTER784

From: WALTER784

11/12/21

Showtalk said...

The envelopes were thrown away. That is what happened in Arizona.

They are required by chain of custody law to safely and securely store all material for 20 or 22 months.

That's destruction of material they should still have in their custody... and as such, it should be treated as election fraud and those involved should go to jail.

I just read in another article that Michigan has recently found 25,000 dead people still on their voter rolls too.

And in Georgia, there were thousands of ballots which were shredded too.

It's rampant and MUST be fixed.

FWIW

WALTER784

From: WALTER784

11/12/21

Watchdog group says 2020 ballot images destroyed in 74 Georgia counties

Ballot images are crucial for election records and required by both federal and state law to be retained for 22 months and 24 months, respectively.
 
Seventy-four of Georgia's counties have not been able to produce original images of ballots from the November 2020 election, according to an election integrity group.
 
VoterGA, an election integrity nonprofit organization, received confirmation through Open Records Requests (ORRs) from 56 counties that either most or all of the images that the Dominion voting system automatically created for tabulating results have been destroyed.
 
Images of ballots are crucial for election records and are required by both federal and state law to be retained for 22 months and 24 months, respectively.
 
The images automatically created by the Dominion voting system for in-person ballots are on compact flash memory cards, while mail-in ballot images are on memory flash drives. The drives or cards are later manually uploaded to the Election Management Server in the county, and the more densely populated ones use high speed scanners to directly transfer images to the Election Management Server.
 
"At least 28 counties admitted having no original images at all and 22 of those counties only had recount images that some claimed are the same as originals," According to VoterGA.
 
The organization noted that recount images do not have original time stamps that may be used for auditing nor the original meta data showing how the votes were originally interpreted. Recount images are invalid for an election audit because they can be changed by tampering between scans.
 
A total of another 28 counties admitted to VoterGA admitted they do not possess a complete set of original images. "Various counties were missing all in-person voting images, all absentee images, all Election Day images or a substantial portion of one or more of those groups," the nonprofit noted.
 
Over a two-month period, there were another 18 counties that didn't comply with repeated ORRs. While most didn't respond, some requested "exorbitant fees for images that most counties provided for around $25-$50," with the most being $1,700. There were six counties that claimed to mail VoterGA images that they haven't received.
 
VoterGA possesses written confirmation from former State Election Director Chris Harvey that granted permission to erase from the memory cards images from in-person ballots.
 
"These violations are yet another glaring reason why Georgians cannot trust the Secretary of State's office," Garland Favorito, co-founder of VoterGA, said in a statement. "We desperately need a multi-county audit of the 2020 election to resolve these serious problems before 2022."

Watchdog group says 2020 ballot images destroyed in 74 Georgia counties | Just The News

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

11/12/21

You’re not understanding me.  They may be required to keep envelopes but once they are separated from ballots there is no way to put them back together for analysis.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

11/12/21

Was the loss intentional or is Dominion flawed?  Why are they still using those systems when they know there were serious problems? Beyond any fraud, some of the machines didn’t work at all. Some switched votes from R to D and could not be switched back, while the voters were in the booths. That is all documented but somehow they couldn’t fix it during the election.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

11/12/21

Im not sure that it is true that once separated they can't be rejoined.   Both the envelope and the voter ballot are coded identically with that computer link thing (complete senior moment).  At least in Arizona.  I can't find out what happens to the envelopes after an election has been certified-  are they kept or destroyed.  I believe they are kept from the idiot recount information that came out.  But I think the envelopes are eventually destroyed, while the actual ballots are kept for a set period of time.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

11/12/21

They said that in AZ the ballots and the identifying information had been separated and could not be analyzed.  I have no idea why.  

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

11/12/21

Who is "they"?   The audit was a fallacy start to finish.  Even the Republicans who pushed for the "audit" walked away once it was disclosed the ballots and the machines had been illegally removed from state control and left completely unguarded at the coliseum. Two TV reporters, different stations, with accompanying camera and sound crews, got unfettered access to the ballots with no security in sight.  The supposed ballot recounters who had physical access to the ballots were untrained volunteers with no background or security checks at all.  From what we're reading, their citizenship wasn't even checked.  The Senate president who authorized the audit and handed over the machines and ballots to the "auditors" is facing a criminal investigation into her violation of Az Senate rules, Az state law and possible federal charges.
I really do wish people would recognize that local Maricopa county residents had far more information available to us than those in other states.  Even our local country western station (Republican owned with conservative format) was broadcasting hourly updates. I also wish people would recognize that I have no reason to obscure or diminish the importance of what happened here.  

 

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

11/12/21

A data analyst who specializes in election verification.  I did not catch his name.

Jeri (azpaints)

From: Jeri (azpaints)

11/12/21

Frankly, as chaotic and illegal as that audit was, I would hope he wasn't here.  The company had NEVER conducted a federal election audit.  That should raise all kinds of red flags as to appropriateness of the choice, the person who released the machines and voter records had no legal authority to release them, 2nd red flag.  Removal of the votes from AZ state control, which is illegal on both state and federal levels, third red flag.  Removal of the voting machines, fourth red flag.  Inexperience of counters, fifth, no background checks, sixth red flag.  And so it goes.

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

11/12/21

No he’s an expert. Not sure what his actual job is.  Again, the audit was never going to yield anything because they could not get the data in the form they would need. 

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