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Losing Liberty   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started Dec-4 by WALTER784; 2339 views.
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From: WALTER784

Dec-4

Losing Liberty

December 3, 2021
 
Kerby Anderson
 
As we enter the last month of 2021, it is worth reflecting on the last two years of the pandemic and lockdowns. We were told by medical experts and politicians that we had to set aside many of our constitutional rights to keep people safe. And we were assured that this sacrifice of our freedoms was only temporary. But are we setting a precedent?
 
Who would have predicted that a virus would become the justification for some governors and mayors to lay siege to our civil liberties? If I told you two years ago that political leaders would close church services and huge sectors of our society, would you have believed it? Even many of the most dedicated preppers would have had difficulty believing it.
 
A retired UK Supreme Court Justice explained his concern. “The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And that threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated.”
 
The other side of that equation is also disturbing. Not only do citizens willingly give up their freedoms, but governments are traditionally reluctant to give up power that was granted to them during a crisis. Once we give government leaders power, they find it hard to return to the previous status quo.
 
Some of the worst threats to freedom can be seen in other countries when government leaders implement the most draconian of rules and regulations. America’s dedication to limited government and federalism have provided some protection against such action. But a precedent has been set. That’s why we need to be ever more vigilant and make good choices in the 2022 elections.

Losing Liberty - Point of View - Point of View

FWIW

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Dec-4

We gave you a lot of choices when we feared Covid.  Who ever thought people would agreed to the equivalent of house arrest over a respiratory illness? And yet, most of us did to some degree.

Yeah, you gave it up, temporarily, that’s the key here, temporary. I just don’t get this freedoms are being taken away argument.

Am I able to go out and fulfil daily functions and errands? Yes.

Can I go to a Museum? Yes

Can I eat at a restaurant? Yes

Can I go to a movie? Yes

Can I go to an NHL game? Yes

Can I go to a football game? Yes

These were things we couldn’t do prevaccination to degree (ie: you could still shop for groceries)

So I don’t get this at all.

Now, am I doing most of these things I have the freedom to do? No, because I’m a socially conscious person who realizes being double vaccinated is not a cure and does not prevent infection (only helps to lessen the effects).

I’m being mindful of where I go and who I see because we have some personal responsibility in this equation, freedom and liberty don’t negate you doing the right thing.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784

Dec-4

Now... on a bigger scale. Our government purposefully put us through hell with their lockdowns, their strict mandates, their crazy policies... I REPEAT... PURPOSEFULLY...

So one might ask why? They are testing the waters.

Testing the waters for what? The great reset or one world order by any other name.

They're not there yet, but they used this pandemic to test the waters to see how many people would give up their freedoms for safety to see how much further they have to go before they can usher in true socialism.

For quite a while now, the Democrats have been conditioning us to believe that our views of freedom are selfish.

The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secrets of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant.
 
Just look at the freedoms you have on Facebook and Twitter... you're free to post whatever they like and they will ban you if you post otherwise. Yeah sure... that's not freedom.
 
Freedom is never given... it's won. And our military has fought and won for our freedom.
 
But when it gets to the point where you can't question the election, you can't criticize your own government, you can't question covid, you can't refuse the vaccine, you can't criticize BLM or CRT, and you cannot question the re-writing of our history, then this is not freedom but oppression.

Benjamine Franklin so eloquently said... Those that give up freedom for safety, deserve neither.

Joe Biden so not eloquently said... This vaccine is not about freedom, it's for your safety! So per Franklin, if you follow Biden, you deserve neither.

I think the NRA spelled it out quite clearly here too:
For the freedoms you have, thank a veteran.
For the freedoms you have lost, thank a liberal.
 
We are currently allowing the current administration to continually push forward unconstitutional mandates which are already in court session in numerous states around our country while we do nothing to protect our own Constitutional rights. Of which... sadly, most younger people know absolutely nothing of because our education system has taught them absolutely nothing about our Constitution or Bill of Rights. (i.e. Dumbing down society)
 
FWIW
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From: Showtalk

Dec-4

We were unable to do any of those things for almost one year.  Choosing to give them up is freedom. Being told you must is not freedom.

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From: Showtalk

Dec-4

It happened once but they are saying Never again!

So the fact that you had to give them up temporarily in an act of caring for your fellow human beings but got it back is a tyrannical society? My god. I suppose I should get ready for my train ride to the camps right? This is just crazy.

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Dec-4

Again you aren’t understanding it because your country is different. I never said losing liberty. The article did. That is not the same concept. The lockdowns are a bad example.  The real issue is when personal freedoms people have enjoyed are taken over by government who then make decisions for people.  I know you are trying to understand it, but it’s not an easy concept to explain at least not by me or to grasp.

One major issue was that churches were closed while other venues were not.  They made examples of churches and bullied people into not attending.

  • Edited December 4, 2021 5:41 pm  by  Showtalk
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Dec-4

This, in a nutshell.

Benjamin Franklin said, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Here it was slightly different, although the Churches didn’t see it that way (full disclosure I’m an atheist and I detest Churches and their tax free status) here the Churches were no different than any other venue, with the exception of the reopening phase which kept them on the sidelines longer because of how many people attend and in the kind of venue (small space, poor ventilation).

It’s possibly worth mentioning but the churches have been the biggest violators of the rules in my Province, these ultra orthodox (cult) congregations are primarily responsible for most of the divide here and the solution was simple, get your vaccinations and all would have been fine. My favourite part is that many of the Mennonite fair (which encompasses much of southern Manitoba) are moving in droves to Paraguay and Bolivia because Canada is too socialist…good luck with that.

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