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Another school shooting. How can we prevent it from happening again?   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started May-24 by Showtalk; 13050 views.
Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Jun-5

They should care! 

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Jun-5

17 states have red flag laws. I didn’t know what they are so I looked them up.  Apparently they don’t work all that well.  It takes time to flag someone, go to court to take their guns away and then do it. During that time, a potential shooter has already done what they planned to do.

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Jun-5

They seem to have some minor impact on suicide prevention.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Jun-6

Red Flag laws don't work... there are numerous memes about them too...

They infringe on law abiding citizens rights and don't work.

Piss off a Democrat and they call to get you placed on the Red Flag list... even if you did nothing more than piss them off and even if you didn't even brandish a gun when you pissed them off.

If a neighbor sees you loading a legal gun into the trunk of your car to take down to the shooting range and doesn't like it, they can call the police with a red flag complaint.

Bottom line: They don't work!!!

FWIW

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Jun-6

The following part is where abuse of the Red Flag laws cause more problems than they resolve anything...

>>>Gun rights activists argue that the laws can too easily take a person’s guns based on unproven accusations.

“The biggest issue with all these bills is due process,” Dan Reid, western director of the National Rifle Association, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “A person is going to lose their rights based on a third-party allegation. They’ve never been convicted of a crime. They’ve never been adjudicated mentally ill. That’s not how our system of justice should work.”<<<

FWIW

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-6

Let's summarize where we are:

Walter says that fortifying schools is "better than what we're doing now." 

Walter also suggests that invasion of privacy is permissible because we need to "Flag them as possibly dangerous to others and watch their activity closely (both online and on the streets)."

Walter says "Identifying possible troubled students was discussed in detail in several of those videos" and Walter says "Everything needed to flag somebody was mentioned in the 3 videos I mentioned above."

As I understand it, Walter is getting his thoughts from video experts.

That's where the discussion currently stands.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Jun-6

What is your opinion of the 3 videos.

Why comment about Walter when Walter was talking about the 3 videos.

Did you watch them?

And what is your opinion of the things discussed in them.

Let's get back to the videos and stop talking about Walter who was talking about the videos shall we?

Don't attempt to disambiguate the situation.

Edited to add: And the situation is NOT about Walter!!!

It's about how to protect children in our schools!

FWIW

  • Edited June 6, 2022 9:09 am  by  WALTER784
MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-6

The question about hardening our schools was in the context of discussion about monitoring everyone's every thought, a proposition about which you have expressed some concern.  Showtalk says in post 6940.84 "How do they ensure that they don’t target someone who should not be flagged vs those who should?"

If the schools have been turned into armed fortresses, do we also need to be monitoring their on line privacy?

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-6

Showtalk says:  "Rather than target everyone, they need a way to weed out the offenders."

We agree.  How do you propose weeding them without extensive invasion of privacy of those of  "us" who don't need to be weeded out?

MerlinsDad

From: MerlinsDad 

Jun-6

Showtalk says "chances are very high"

Only very high?

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