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Were the Lahaina fires preventable?   The Serious You: How Current Events Affect You

Started Aug-14 by Showtalk; 5724 views.
WALTER784
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From: WALTER784 

Aug-30

Sounds like neglect if you ask me. Whether it was willful or purposeful... hmmmm....

I've seen several home fires and a few rice paddy/vegetable farm fires within a few kilometers of where I live. 

During the fire, there are anywhere from 3 ~ over 10 fire trucks on the scene to douse the fire depending on the size of the fire.

But in all instances I've seen, there is always one police car and one fire truck that remains at the scene of the fire for about 45 minutes to an hour after the fire has been doused. All the other fire trucks leave shortly after packing up their hoses. But that one remaining fire truck keeps its hoses deployed in case of a reoccurrence.

If there is still smoke rising, underbrush could still be burning underneath. That last fire truck continues to spray water on the areas where the smoke continues to rise. And even after there is no more smoke rising, they still watch closely for at least 30 minutes or more. 

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Aug-30

I doubt it was intentional by the entire fire department and there was water during the first fire. What happened to it 8 hrs later? Maybe one person sabotaged it.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Sep-7

Showtalk said...

I doubt it was intentional by the entire fire department and there was water during the first fire. What happened to it 8 hrs later? Maybe one person sabotaged it.

Under Biden's admin, intentional by entire fire dept wouldn't surprise me at all. You cannot trust anything any more.

Remember when they said the electric company didn't have a shutdown manual and that caused the fires... now we have this countering that there was no power shutdown.

Hawaiian Electric Denies Responsibility for Maui Fires, Claims Power Lines Were Shut Off Hours Before the Wildfire Started

By Jim H?ft
Aug. 28, 2023 7:48 pm

A high-stakes blame game is unfolding in Hawaii as Hawaiian Electric vehemently denies causing the recent fires that engulfed parts of Maui. The company released a comprehensive statement after Maui County officials accused it of failing to properly manage electrical equipment during a National Weather Service Red Flag Warning, leading to catastrophic fires.
 
On Monday, The Gateway Pundit reported that Maui officials had earlier put the blame squarely on Hawaiian Electric, citing downed power lines as the source of the fire that has now engulfed thousands of acres and led to evacuations across the island.
 
Maui County has officially filed a lawsuit against Hawaiian Electric Company (HECO) and its subsidiaries, claiming negligence on the part of the utility.
 
Maui County released the following statement regarding the lawsuit:
 
Today, the County of Maui filed a lawsuit against Maui Electric Company, Limited, Hawaiian Electric Company, Inc., Hawai?i Electric Light Company, Inc., and Hawaiian Electric Industries, Inc. for civil damages caused to the County’s public property and resources caused by recent Maui fires, including fires in Lahaina and in Kula. The lawsuit was filed in the Second Circuit Court and the case number is 2CCV-23-0000238.
 
The lawsuit alleges that the Defendants acted negligently by failing to power down their electrical equipment despite a National Weather Service Red Flag Warning on August 7th. The lawsuit further alleges HECO’s energized and downed power lines ignited dry fuel such as grass and brush, causing the fires. The lawsuit also alleges failure to maintain the system and power grid, which caused the systemic failures starting three different fires on August 8th.
 
Maui County stands alongside the people and communities of Lahaina and Kula to recover public resource damages and rebuild after these devastating utility-caused fires. These damages include losses to public infrastructure, fire response costs, losses to revenues, increased costs, environmental damages, and losses of historical or cultural landmarks.
 
HECO is a for-profit, investor-owned utility that trades publicly on the New York Stock Exchange serving 95% of the Hawai’i customer base.
 
The fires in Lahaina and Kula burned over 3,000 acres and destroyed more than 2,200 structures, causing an estimated $5.5 billion in damage or more.
 
The County is represented by Corporation Counsel Victoria J. Takayesu, Deputy Corporation Counsel Thomas Kolbe, and by outside counsel John Fiske of Baron & Budd, P.C., Ed Diab of Diab Chambers, LLP, and L. Richard Fried of Cronin, Fried, Sekiya, Kekina & Fairbanks. Baron & Budd and Diab Chambers have been selected by public entities 95 times to recover civil damages in wildfire cases.
 
In a detailed rebuttal, Shelee Kimura, President and CEO of Hawaiian Electric, said, “We were surprised and disappointed that the County of Maui rushed to court even before completing its own investigation. We believe the complaint is factually and legally irresponsible.”
 
“It is inconsistent with the path that we believe we should pursue as a resilient community committed and accountable to each other as well as to Hawaii’s future. We continue to stand ready to work to that end with our communities and others. Unfortunately, the county’s lawsuit may leave us no choice in the legal system but to show its responsibility for what happened that day,” Kimura added.
 
The company outlined key events, stating:
 
A fire at 6:30 a.m. (the “Morning Fire”) appears to have been caused by power lines that fell in high winds.
 
The Maui County Fire Department responded to this fire, reported it was “100% contained,” left the scene and later declared it had been “extinguished.”
 
At about 3 p.m., a ti
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Showtalk
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From: Showtalk 

Sep-7

Interesting. That is going to be a huge legal battle.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Sep-9

This guy, 2-bit DaVinchi, is a stickler for detail and looking into and analyzing various things from various different standpoints. 

This is what he has to say about the Maui fires.

The Maui Fires - REAL Reason They Happened

FWIW
Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Sep-9

That is a good video. He debunks the conspiracies while looking at real reasons it happened.  As he says, It was a perfect storm.  He mentioned some of what I posted before about stopping sugar cane and pineapple growth.  He mentioned that they need to underground power lines.  That should be done everywhere and should be paid for by the government. Instead communities tell property owners utilities  can only be placed underground if they pay for it themselves.  It’s very expensive.  

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Sep-9

Yes, he's good at logically thinking things through. 

He did it with EVs vs Hydrogen based cars, with various other technologies, etc. 

He does his homework, looks at all angles and makes his videos.

And, as you said... in the process, he has debunked a lot of the plausible or laughable stories about the fire in the process.

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Sep-9

He also debunked extreme conspiracies too.

WALTER784
Staff

From: WALTER784 

Sep-9

He has numerous videos about numerous topics including nuclear reactors, Oceangate submarine disaster, etc. You can see his youtube channel below about all the videoclips he has posted. He's quite logical and thus hard to debunk or claim false narrative over. 

Two Bit da Vinci - YouTube

FWIW

Showtalk
Host

From: Showtalk 

Sep-9

I was skeptical but I’m glad I stuck with the video.

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