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Started Jun-2 by WALTER784; 2197 views.
WALTER784

From: WALTER784

Jun-5

Well, it's hard to say whether it's dangerous or not... I mean, it's not going to explode or kill you or anything like that... so physically, it's not life threatening.

But, it has a microphone, speaker, WiFi, LAN and Bluetooth connectivity and continues to attempt to connect to the internet if possible. It may even have a 4G or 5G chip inside as well for wireless connectivity like your smartphone.

It listens for your voice to give it a command. It listens to your voice even if you don't give it a command. There is no telling what it does with your voice or where it might send your voiceprint.

How do you keep a secret from it? Power it off? Does it have an internal battery inside? Is it really turned off when you power it off?

If it's connected to the internet, then it has an IP address, and with an IP address, it can be hacked. And if it's hacked, the hackers can do anything they want with the device. Even if it's not hacked, who's to say that the manufacturer isn't listening in 'eaves dropping' style.

If somebody gets enough voice recordings, they can mimic your voice and make it sound like you said something you didn't.

I wouldn't even accept one if you gave it to me as a present.

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-5

I’m not taking about the device but about allowing strange people access to your home wifi. That doesn’t seem safe at all.

WALTER784 said:

a new feature on Alexa and Echo devices

I won't touch those devices with a 10 meter cattle prod. They have been a security risk even before this latest little thing.

There is another more insidious risk - what if someone manages to hijack it in the neighborhood, and then use that to download illegal content through your network? Guess whose IP address the feds will track down? Guess whose door the SWAT team will blast in at 3 AM?

Most people don't even think of those kind of hazards from other people's devices getting access to your network.

If I have some kind of camera or other device on my network to keep an eye on things, it will be something I have full control of the software and hardware, open source, so I can know exactly what it's doing, and it won't morph into something else without my explicit knowledge or consent.

And I will be the only one who can access the thing. And I'd much rather have it hard wired rather than wireless, anyway. Then it won't show up to people wardriving and looking for wifi traffic.

Showtalk said:

allowing strange people access to your home wifi. That doesn’t seem safe at all.

Bingo.

Wait until someone gets raided by the feds for something strange people used someone's home wifi to conduct illegal activity. I'd bet someone tech savvy has even made book on it. It's WHEN rather than IF that happens.

Same with things like smart light bulbs, refrigerators and other Internet of Things that were hastily rushed to market with no real regard for security. "Make it work and get it into the stores in time for Black Friday, and we'll worry about securing it some day."

And then we have refrigerators that get hijacked to participate in denial of service attacks, light bulbs used as a dark web server for child pornography, and Ring doorbells used to dox people.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784

Jun-6

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

Wait until someone gets raided by the feds for something strange people used someone's home wifi to conduct illegal activity. I'd bet someone tech savvy has even made book on it. It's WHEN rather than IF that happens.

Same with things like smart light bulbs, refrigerators and other Internet of Things that were hastily rushed to market with no real regard for security. "Make it work and get it into the stores in time for Black Friday, and we'll worry about securing it some day."

And then we have refrigerators that get hijacked to participate in denial of service attacks, light bulbs used as a dark web server for child pornography, and Ring doorbells used to dox people.

All of that... YES... and one even more scary thing is new model cars of today with their auto steering/driving features. Somebody could hack into your car and control it without your knowledge. Cause you to go through red lights, when you hit the brakes, your car accelerates instead because it's been hacked, etc. Those are the really scary and dangerous things.

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-6

It can also be used to turn off AC in summer and heat in winter.  

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-6

I saw that on a TV drama.

WALTER784

From: WALTER784

Jun-6

Showtalk said...

I saw that on a TV drama.

That was probably one I saw about 15 or more years ago.

Back then... it was fiction, but today... it's real and can happen.

FWIW

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Jun-6

It can. 

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