Yes, an island can flip over and capsize. It’s a political thing.

WALTER784 said:

Oh... I'm sure some sites (not social media giants) have their own recordings backed up somewhere so that even if all the social media giants decide to ban something... the real truth is still recorded where the social media giants have no control over.

Probably some analog old school type recordings too. It's kind of hard to censor an analog recording that is in a private vault, especially if copies of tapes are in multiple private hands in multiple countries.

And USB thumb drives and hard drives that ares stashed away, archived high dollar optical media that doesn't degrade like the cheap stuff does,

Yes, there are all kinds of media out there. But there are only a few places where 8-track cassettes and 8mm films can be re-recorded to more recent media. And I haven't seen Sony's Betamax around for some time now since VHS took over, but even today, with the DVD & Blueray technology, finding even VHS recorders are becoming harder and harder.

FWIW

That obsolescence is one reason that a lot of the information of the modern world may vanish completely in another couple of centuries. Future historians may be hard pressed to find that many artifacts, which seems almost counterintuitive on the surface when we know of people who probably post details of their latest bowel movement, and the next tier of over-sharing of everything their kids or pets do, where we have an information fire hose to drink from today.

But digital media goes obsolete fast, as does analog media. Who can even read the zip drive that holds the image of that old GeoCities web page, and that goes back only about 25 years.

That doesn't even count deliberate erasure of "thoughtcrime" by big platforms like Fakebook. That's just the natural attrition and deterioration as computers age and either break or become obsolete, media no longer supported, and cloud backup passwords lost as people die and the heirs are locked out of them forever.

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

That obsolescence is one reason that a lot of the information of the modern world may vanish completely in another couple of centuries. Future historians may be hard pressed to find that many artifacts, which seems almost counterintuitive on the surface when we know of people who probably post details of their latest bowel movement, and the next tier of over-sharing of everything their kids or pets do, where we have an information fire hose to drink from today.

But digital media goes obsolete fast, as does analog media. Who can even read the zip drive that holds the image of that old GeoCities web page, and that goes back only about 25 years.

That doesn't even count deliberate erasure of "thoughtcrime" by big platforms like Fakebook. That's just the natural attrition and deterioration as computers age and either break or become obsolete, media no longer supported, and cloud backup passwords lost as people die and the heirs are locked out of them forever.

Yes, but the sad part is that electronically held information (Facebook, Twitter, Google Drive, etc.) can all be easily manipulated or deleted depending on the content. Which means that they can delete anything they don't agree with and only leave up things which they agree with.

It seems like printed versions are the ones that stand up for the longest period of time, but they're also susceptible to fire too!

FWIW

WALTER784 said:

Yes, but the sad part is that electronically held information (Facebook, Twitter, Google Drive, etc.) can all be easily manipulated or deleted depending on the content. Which means that they can delete anything they don't agree with and only leave up things which they agree with. It seems like printed versions are the ones that stand up for the longest period of time, but they're also susceptible to fire too!

If I remember correctly from my miss-spent youth reading classic SF novels, books ignite at 451 degrees Fahrenheit.

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

WALTER784 said:

Yes, but the sad part is that electronically held information (Facebook, Twitter, Google Drive, etc.) can all be easily manipulated or deleted depending on the content. Which means that they can delete anything they don't agree with and only leave up things which they agree with. It seems like printed versions are the ones that stand up for the longest period of time, but they're also susceptible to fire too!

If I remember correctly from my miss-spent youth reading classic SF novels, books ignite at 451 degrees Fahrenheit.

I'm not sure of the exact temperature, but that's just all the more reason to keep several copies in multiple sites.

Our Constitution was written on parched paper and it's still legible!

FWIW

WALTER784 said:

Our Constitution was written on parched paper and it's still legible!

Yep. If it had been on Facebook or Twitter they would have taken it down and banned whoever posted it

$1,661.87 in cats (ROCKETMAN_S) said...

WALTER784 said:

Our Constitution was written on parched paper and it's still legible!

Yep. If it had been on Facebook or Twitter they would have taken it down and banned whoever posted it

Sadly, that is probably what would have happened.

FWIW

Well, of course. Today everyone is offended about something.