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First 10 days review   General Chit-Chat

Started 5/6/20 by Musivore; 102856 views.
Loreficent

From: Loreficent

5/8/20

Yes, a small mountain of consensus...

Im also not letting myself get too worked up. I could probably let myself get to the point of wanting to smoke to feel better. I’ve done those things in the past; create situations to justify having a cigarette. Now, at least I can see the BS in doing that, so there is progress had. 
I stumbled on an interesting quit smoking site last night. I’ll go back and find the part that captured my mind. It was along the same thoughts of a Joel Spitzer article I read once that spoke to embracing the craves by staying detached and watching them. It resonated with a tactic that at times works for me. It also made me realize that I’m a functionalist. Made me realize that this quit endeavor takes a bit of an arsenal. Somewhat akin to all these so called “survivalists” we have here in the US. You know, the ones who hoarded all their beans and bullets (and likely toilet paper) preparing for the moment to come when they’d have to hole up and secure themselves from some yet unseen enemy. Except now they are the same folks who are crying and screaming “let me out! You’re tramping on my freedom!” Because a potentially deadly virus isn’t enough of an unseen enemy for them personally to be holed up over. No, that woos of a thing that they can’t see and therefore they feel it doesn’t have a weapon isn’t enough to fight against... they need an actual AK47 or M16 to be in the hands of what they are facing for it to be an actual enemy. Morons. Same ones that come in sick and worried and wanting a test. Yeah. I digress...Anyway, this quit takes an arsenal of tactics. One moment I’m finding that it takes determination and a power through and fight the urge mindset. One moment it takes a mindset of “I relinquish myself to the crave and will just ride the wave”. Another crave requires a “lean in but not too hard” mindset. Some of the craves just suck and I feel on the brink of a cliff and know that if I just had a hang glider attached I’d go ahead and step off and FLY! Oh, what a feeling that would be and it is on my list to do as soon as a place is open to rent one. And yet there is the tactic of getting on here and babbling and yes, that works too while waiting for my little tiny clear acrylic or whatever it is made of adhesive patch on my arm to release it’s trickle of nicotine into my system. Ahhh...I feel the tingle now...relief and release...

I digressed again!! Not sure what it is Musivore but you seem to have tapped into a writing response in me! Which, no, I’m not a writer and have never written anything worthy of being printed anywhere. Heck, I couldn’t even stick with a quit journal. 
But back to the site I found, it is interesting as it goes in depth into how to accept the craves and detach and not fight them. I’ll figure out how to attach a link here. It is a bit redundant but then in another part explains the redundancy. You know, redundancy works!!! Look at Trump. He repeats rhetoric and other things and voila! It is believed. So why not apply that same principle to this I ask? Humans are actually fairly simple in our complexity at times. Just cut through the BS that we think is what makes us so unique and special and above all the other creatures and sure enough, there we are. Simple mammals with parts we still refer to as the reptilian brain. Hmmmm.

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

5/8/20

Here is a link to the site index. I think it was lesson 6 that had the things I wrote about, though the whole thing has value. Just takes some time...

http://www.quitsmokingonline.com/course-intro/

CC to JerseyDee
Musivore

From: Musivore

5/8/20

Omg Lori, so much for me to read, take in, learn from, giggle at, and delight in... I will stop there because I know my compliments can get incredibly sickly, if not to the recipient, then to anyone else who happens to read. Suffice to say, I pray that I can continue to be a Muse for you for a little longer, because I am finding you to be priceless.

What you describe about being detached during your cravings sounds like Mindfulness to me. I have attended a number of sessions for this through work, and absolutely loved the concept. You sit back, tap into your feelings, ride the wave, appreciate, try not to direct or interfere with those internal workings, and just become aware of the waves and sensations that make up our complex wholes. On the whole, the technique is used to relax and de-stress, and it definitely works (a little too well on my case, as I always ended up asleep and my subsequent snoring and dribbling didn't help others attending). What you describe sounds like that, and it will be interesting to try the same tactics for a craving, although I suspect it will be harder to ride that wave compared to my experiences of mindfulness in the past. Either way, I will write about it here.

And yeah, totally agree on all of what you say about survivalists and about their esteemed leader. It does actually concern me when I see a big baby stand up and represent the leading country of the free world. I didn't always know whether to laugh or cry when I used to tune in to the daily briefings that are now no longer, after bleachgate. But I'm reluctant to go there on here, as I am less informed than you guys, plus people in glasshouses need to keep their heads down and concentrate on staying out of trouble, and continuing to keep the smoking beasts at bay.

Musivore

From: Musivore

5/8/20

These links Lori - did you have to donate to access? That is a strange thing to have to do for what claims to be a free site?

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

5/8/20

No, I didn’t...yes, it’s odd. I don’t know much about what it takes to keep a website up. That is for people whose minds are more technical than my wandering mess of neurons. I often feel a twinge of guilt when I don’t donate something and I’m reaping some pleasure of someone else’s hard work. I guess I could donate what I would have spent on smokes today even. 
More in a bit! Catching my breath from an over 2 hour walk. Ahhhh!

Musivore

From: Musivore

5/8/20

No, I wasn't asking you to donate. Just letting you know that I was being asked to, I think, before proceeding. I will try again now anyways...

Musivore

From: Musivore

5/8/20

Ok, sat that lesson you mention now Lori. It made me want to smoke. But I like his idea and am willing to see what happens if I ride the moment and try to de-power it. 

Like I said, I'll let you know how it goes. Looking forward to you doing the same at some point. And if it works, we can start a thread for this, if it hasn't been started before?

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

5/8/20

No...it did?? Well that I’m sure is an unintended side effect! Wait...Didn’t you already want to smoke?? I often want to, but the depth of the desire is less. Not sure if that makes sense. I believe it is what is called romancing the cigarette. Let me find that Dear John letter for you...

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

5/8/20

Oh I didn’t take it as you were asking me to donate. I thought the same thing last night when I got to that part and felt a slight bit bad for not doing so. Of course I forgot about that part of the site and then felt bad forwarding something to you that asked for donations.

The beauty of this is we get to entertain and encourage each other for free! 

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