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euknight

From: euknight

Aug-24

Hey Lore,

Welcome home!!  Your trip sounds fab!!  I guess I thought you would be there a few days.  Eeeek 50 degree water!!  Yeah buddy you better wear a warm suit!!  Whoa.  I imagine there must be a wilder beauty with colder waters.  Idk

Interesting take on the whole quit process.  I wholeheartedly agree that emotion will rule over willpower every time.  Willpower is something we have to conjure up; then work and work to keep it going.  It does not seem natural, like emotion is, but we have been given the ability to utilize it.  In the long run it has to be emotion that keeps the quit.  A deep desire fueled by love and faith and self control.  Willpower is the clenching of teeth while self control is the desire to hold back out of love.  I believe there is a difference.

I do think willpower has to be used a bit in the beginning without a doubt.  Whatever it takes so to speak.  I will use it whenever I cannot feel enough care for myself to do otherwise.  I don’t know if you can follow this!  Lol.  Your comments just sent me to this pondering.  We humans like to figure things out....lol, some more than others.

Who doesn’t love the smells of essential oils....ahhhh eucalyptus, lavender....yes!!  I even mixed up my own hand sanitizer with some.  Sooooo much better than store bought!  How the cedar smells after a rain or fresh mowed grass and for me...the smoke of a campfire.  And for me the smoke from cigs and cigars.  I liked it after my last quit too.  Not a trigger for me.  Might seem weird.

Speaking of fires, I am so sorry about your friends having to evacuate!!  Did they lose their home?  Gee those fires freak me out and sooooooo hot!!  Belgian Shepherds??  That sounds lovely...well anything with Shepherd attached to it I love.  Belgian?  Like the giant Belgian horses?  I bet that was awesome playing with them and so nice to see your friend. Nice to be with people that get you and expand you!!,

I had a dream last night of cleaning all the bathrooms in my childhood home and there were more than there were really!!  My most dreaded task!!  A repetitive dream in some respects.  Am taking that one to tribe tomorrow to discuss. Have not written it down.

I have gotten to swimming several butterfly laps.  I think I had to strengthen my arms a bit.  Am going to study a bit on form and go from there.  Getting dark earlier so am out an hour in light and an hour in dark with pool light.  Sliver of moon now.  Strange smells wafting up from somewhere....almost like wild hog but dogs were not flustered so we shall see again tonight.  Cool to have my sense of smell back!

Have the best smoke free day my friend!  And to all the warrior gals coming to this link!!,!

Peggy

5-8-20

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

Aug-24

I am still here! 
Heading a bit further down the coast now to my favourite places so will get some good pics I hope!

xvaper

From: xvaper

Aug-24

I know but also I realize how easy it is slip. I hope I will not.

euknight

From: euknight

Aug-24

Yay....I see you are still there!!  Guess I was one message behind.  I have to agree with you about the waiting....YES....hear you loud and clear!

I love Second Hand Lions....a real feel good movie.  You gotta love all the animals greeting guests!!!!

Pretty sure they were Nighthawks.  Have not come back.  How about you?  Pelicans?  Sandpipers?  Or do those go to the Pacific?

Today has been a tough one.  Hugs

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

Aug-24

Uh-oh...tough one isn’t fun. Better now? You should be swimming soon and hopefully that helps. I’m proud of you doing the Butterfly! That’s hard. I don’t know anything other than just regular swimming...breast stroke I think? Hahaha! Maybe I shouldn’t be in the Pacific..? Never thought about it like that as I can swim and it is the Ocean...so...there you go! I’m pretty strong but not a fancy swimmer, hows that? The Pacific can be treacherous though for sure. The Coast of Oregon is fairly rugged but does have sand beaches as well as rock beaches. The whole coast is public which is nice. But it is definitely not SoCal waters. I wouldn’t go in the water except for this time of year. Fall is known for sneaker waves and the whole coast is pretty unpredictable for undertow. I’m gonna stop writing about it as I will talk myself into not doing it alone anymore and I don’t want to live like that!  There are always a few deaths a year off Oregon Coast though. There are some horrific videos on YouTube of the sneaker waves. There is a big fault line not too far from the coast too so most of the upper Coast is Tsunami area potentially. I’m way more fearful of people, and not that I wanna go anytime soon, but when it’s my time I’d rather be dragged to sea by Mother Nature than killed by some idiot drunk driver or shot by some kook. Or die from smoking related disease.... But...none of that for about 30 more years is best! 
So those birds only came a few nights? Wonder if they are something migratory but it seems early for that. I don’t know the Coast birds too well but there are Pelicans in some areas, and Bald Eagles,  though I see those in PDX too. And...my favorite at the Coast are the Puffins! Adorable. You see whales too. And sea lions. Funny little sand crabs by the hundreds that when you stand in the water just a bit into it from the edge like just below the knees and watch the waves come in they come up out of the sand, literally hundreds of them and ride the wave and catch plankton and as the wave goes out they very quickly burrow back under. They do this all day long, day in day out. It’s like a funny little symphony of sorts and we had lots of fun standing there a good long while today and watching them. Daughter was cracking me up with it as sometimes they hit your legs. Today we went to a specific spot at low tide so we could go into these caves that you can’t access when tide is in and there are of course tide pools in there which I love. You know, you could live so many lifetimes on this beautiful and breathtaking and awe inspiring planet of ours and only learn a small fraction about all of it’s inhabitants...just amazes me humans are so wrapped up in their heads and don’t take better care of this place really. I’ve done my damage too just by existing and in the past by smoking for sure. But we were walking along these rocks and there was an are of all the different types of barnacles and I just couldn’t walk on them as there are little creatures inside there and when you watch the water come in over you see them pop out. Couldn’t think of walking on them and chancing breaking the shell. Some of those things are so...Star Wars looking it makes me realize how writers and artists for all of this SciFi stuff get their ideas!! Right under our noses every day. 
Hope you feel better Peggy Dear. Tomorrow is a brand new day and you will have your Tribe and they will feed you and comfort you. It will be better I am 100% certain. 
I’ll look for a shooting star for you tonight and send you a wish. And the same big hug Eastward is always coming on the breeze, and tonight will have a little breathe of salt air and a glimpse of Mermaids....pray

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

Aug-25

Good morning...well later morning there...

So I did see a few shooting starts last night. One was heading East for you too, though it was just a fleeting spot of brightness it passed by just long enough to gather up some good things to bring your way and make this day bright for you! Actually there were several...not sure if remnants of the Perseid or just a pretty night. Venus, Mars, Jupiter all shining brightly too...keeping right on track despite the black sheep of the solar system and all the destruction we bring....amazing concept, yes? I’m sure if we could find a way that we thought would give us some domineering advantage we’d alter their course if we could...Humans. Ugh.
Do I have to go back today? I’m sorry...I don’t mean that as nihilistic as it sounds as there likely is some guiding principles out there if even their deepest meaning largely eludes us... I always come away from the Ocean a bit renewed and hopeful generally to find those hopes dashed quite quickly once I’m on the road back. Also I have to take Stepson to the train this afternoon and I hate that empty and hollow feeling one gets when someone you love so dearly and completely has to go back to somewhere far away. Not that Seattle is far and I see him fairly regularly...still, there is the feeling of a little magic lost when the spell of being physically together is broken. I’m a very lucky person indeed to have him and my daughter in my life and view them as the sole reason and purpose for the painful relationship I had with their dad. And it makes me grateful to him too really. They also make not smoking so worthwhile and I have to be careful not to get my head caught up in all the regret of years having smoked and thinking about potential long term consequences of my self destructive action. Eyes on the prize today for sure, and forward march in this quit even when sadness and emptiness pass through. 
Which brings me to something you wrote about using willpower to buck up and sustain us at times. Yes. Definitely. Didn’t mean to diminish the powers of willpower. For me, and I suspect you, I have to make not smoking an emotional thing more so though. Must say there is something admirable to those who it works the other way, yes? Yeah...would be really nice not to have had any emotional connection to smoking. I think we will get there Peggy. In time. 

  • Edited August 25, 2020 12:26 pm  by  Loreficent
Anne2020

From: Anne2020

Aug-25

If I may ask, how long have you been non-smoker?  Your posts reads like you are going through allot of emotional adjustments.  Are you using NRT's? 

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

Aug-25

Hey there...

I quit on February 23rd initially, had a very small slip early March where I smoked part of one. Had another bigger slip early June where I smoked 8 in one day. I did use the patch for like close to 12 weeks. Was off that and then had this short notice unexpected visit from a family member who is an ex smoker at the end of July. After a the first few days there was so much other stuff going on with her and with my lack of space that I need daily that I put a 7mg patch back on again for about a week. Took it off the day after she left though which is I think 3 weeks ago today? 
Im pretty passionate about lots of stuff all around, mostly in a good way. I do think smoking was a huge way to temper that over the years and I likely built a ton of connections with smoking that still relate to emotions. Much less now than at first when I quit  for sure. But yeah...still there. 

Should add too that I will never view myself as a non smoker but always an Ex smoker. Probably just semantics to some, but I think once an addict always an addict even if not using; the potential for us to pick it up again will always be greater at my age than for someone who never smoked to start at this age....

xvaper

From: xvaper

Aug-25

I agree, I can never be a none smoker. That's just impossible. None smokers cannot understand what it feels like, not just the physical addictive sensation, but the emotional tether that we created with cigarettes. I know a few heavy smokers who quit one day, cold turkey and had zero interest in smoking since then and some find cigarettes disgusting. I am clearly not one of these people. But maybe I will be some day.

Loreficent

From: Loreficent

Aug-25

Oh I bet the day will come when you have zero interest. And I think it is wise to remain mindful of where you’ve been too. I’ve seen folks who quit cold turkey many years ago and said they didn’t miss it pick it back up again, me being one of those. Had quit cold turkey before I had my daughter and it lasted nearly 4 years. Quit longer ago before that, Cold turkey also, in my mid 20’s for nearly 3 years. So now...I take that experience and knowledge going forward with what I said being I will always be an addict. Any addict is always vulnerable and I think it wise to just accept that and move forward with some level of guard up the rest of our lives. Yes...there are connections made that will always be there mentally.  Same with alcohol, Meth, heroin, whatever...even ice cream! Lol! Also from a physical standpoint we will always be “Exs” and never “Nons”. The current recommendation for anyone who is 55 years old and has 30 years smoking is to start yearly low dose CT lung cancer screening. Why? Because no matter how we slice it, physical damage is done and there will always remain that which is not reparable and we remain with increased risk for things the rest of our lives. Hard to hear, yes. But it can also be motivating to stay quit and stop continuing to do physical damage. There is some talk of after so many years our lung cancer risk is equal to that of a non smoker, but that is quite different than risk being the same as one who never smoked. Again... perhaps a bit of semantics. But anyone who thinks their body ever heals from our poor choices 100% is kidding themselves, which makes me keep my guard up. 
Edit: I was wrong initially X but put the link below with the recommendation. Have been doing more reading too and within that site there are different recommendations from others if you expand the tab that says “Recommendations of Others”.

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