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North Aceh: women to stay home    Middle East conundrum

Started 11/7/19 by Fella13; 907 views.

From: BerrySteph


Fella13 said:

2019.08.07 (Afghanistan) A massive suicide blast in a Shiite neighborhood leaves over a dozen dead.

The US has not been wrecking the place just for 18 years - but for 40 years.

'Car bombs and suicide bombers were unknown in Soviet-era Kabul'

In this extract from his 2011 book, Ghosts of Afghanistan, Jonathan Steele recalls his first visit to Kabul, which in 1981, was firmly under Soviet control

The USSR were backing the sovereign (and universally recognised) government of Afghanistan against an insurgency created entirely by the US.

The USSR had quite perfectly sound self-protection reasons for doing so - Reagan's arming jihadis would poison relations with their own Muslim minorities.

The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.See (re-posted 15 October 2001)

The Wacky chooses to deceive us in the introduction by rejecting the above but still says this:

Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20-$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[1] Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the civil war in Afghanistan (1989-1992).[3]

However, lower down the same heavily western dominated article makes clear what really happened:

In March 1979, "CIA sent several covert action options relating to Afghanistan to the SCC [Special Coordination Committee]" of the United States National Security Council. At a March 30 meeting, U.S. Department of Defense representative Walter B. Slocombe "asked if there was value in keeping the Afghan insurgency going, 'sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire?'"[8] When asked to clarify this remark, Slocombe explained: "Well, the whole idea was that if the Soviets decided to strike at this tar baby [Afghanistan] we had every interest in making sure that they got stuck."[9]

... In May 1979, U.S. officials secretly began meeting with rebel leaders through Pakistani government contacts. A former Pakistani military official claimed that he personally introduced a CIA official to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar that month (Freedom of Information Act requests for records describing these meetings have been denied).[10] After additional meetings on April 6 and July 3, Carter signed a "presidential 'finding'" that "authorized the CIA to spend just over $500,000" on non-lethal aid to the mujahideen, which "seemed at the time a small beginning."[7][8][11]

Brzezinski later claimed that "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would."[12][13][14] According to Brzezinski, he became convinced by mid-1979 that the Soviets were going to invade Afghanistan regardless of U.S. policy due to the Carter administration's failure to respond aggressively to Soviet activity in Africa, but - despite the risk of unintended consequences - support for the mujahideen could be an effective way to prevent Soviet aggression beyond Afghanistan (particularly in Brzezinski's native Poland).[9]

The full significance of the U.S. sending aid to the mujahideen prior to the invasion is debated among scholars. Some assert that it directly, and even deliberately, provoked the Soviets to send in troops.[15][16][17][18][19]

... Carter himself has stated that encouraging a Soviet invasion was "not my intention."[20] Gates recounted: "No one in the Carter Administration wanted the Soviets to invade Afghanistan and no one, as I can recall at least, ever advocated attempting to induce them to invade ... Only after the Soviet invasion did some advocate making the Soviets 'bleed' in their own Vietnam."[9] Ibid.

Buried deep in the article is this:

More than $20 billion in U.S. funds were funneled into the country to train and arm the Afghan resistance groups.[47]

Get that? $20 billion (other sources say $40 billion) worth of arms handed out to the very worst and most terrorist of jihadis.

Difficult to believe that the US ever carried out a policy this evil, I hear you say?

Just imagine what that amount of weaponry would do to the US if it was handed out on the streets of Los Angeles and Washington.

Imagine what it would do to Mexico if the Russians ever did anything so evil.


From: Petulance


North Aceh Regency is 6,166 kilometers distance from Afghanistan to Sumatra in....


Kabupaten Aceh Utara is a regency in Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam (Aceh Special District), in Indonesia. It is located on the island of Sumatra.

Sumatra, a large Indonesian island west of Java and south of the Malay Peninsula, is known for its rugged tropical terrain, wildlife and smoldering volcanoes.


If you travel with an airplane (which has average speed of 560 miles) from Afghanistan to Indonesia, It takes 6.84 hours to arrive.

  • Edited 10 November 2019 20:08  by  Petulance

From: BerrySteph


Petulance said:

North Aceh Regency is 6,166 kilometers distance from Afghanistan to Sumatra in....

Ravaged by terrorism caused by the US attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria and Libya.

100s dead in France from the same cause.


From: EagleWin9


Someone here above "BerrySteph'' has no  Geography SKILLS! wink