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Nick Turse Describes the Real Vietnam War   Lecture and Books

Started 24-Nov by funiki; 778 views.
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From: funiki

24-Nov

Nick Turse Describes the Real Vietnam War

Journalist Nick Turse describes his unprecedented efforts to compile a complete and compelling account of the Vietnam War's horror as experienced by all sides, including innocent civilians who were sucked into its violent vortex.

Turse, who devoted 12 years to tracking down the true story of Vietnam, unlocked secret troves of documents, interviewed officials and veterans -- including many accused of war atrocities -- and traveled throughout the Vietnamese countryside talking with eyewitnesses to create his book, Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam.

"American culture has never fully come to grips with Vietnam," Turse tells Bill, referring to "hidden and forbidden histories that just haven't been fully engaged."

Moyers & Company 7 Feb 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7x6upOmdrw

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From: funiki

24-Nov

Turse has received a number of honors for his work including a Ridenhour Prize for Investigative Reporting, a James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism, and an I.F. Stone “Izzy” Award for Outstanding Achievement in Independent Journalism. 

He was part of the investigative team that won the 2016 New York Press Club Award for Special Event Reporting and the 2016 Online Journalism Association Award for Investigative Data Journalism for “The Drone Papers.”  In 2016, he received a second American Book Award for Tomorrow's Battlefield: U.S. Proxy Wars and Secret Ops in Africa.

+> https://www.nickturse.com/

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From: funiki

24-Nov

Vietnam Remembered


Voices of History  29 May 2014
https://youtu.be/_HkDtCBdNUs
A second Vietnam documentary featuring more stories.

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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

24-Nov

funiki said:

"American culture has never fully come to grips with Vietnam," Turse tells Bill, referring to "hidden and forbidden histories that just haven't been fully engaged."

That's very understated from a colonial crime bigger than the Holocaust.

The whole thing was kicked off when we decided that Vietnam would belong to the West (to the French, as had just been fighting with the Nazis!) against the Vietnamese (just been fighting against the Japanese, they were on our side). 

Ho Chi Minh wrote the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence modelled on what the US had done and held his celebration with Americans present.

These are the figures given me by a Cambodian:

In the French War which covered all Indochina, French 75,000, Indochinese 1,500,000

In the Vietnam Civil War, Viets 250,000

In the USA/Vietnam War, Viets 5,000,000, Americans 60,000

In neutral Cambodia during the USA/Viet War, Cambodians 1,000,000 from the immense bombings (missing from her figure, there may have been 2 million Laos deaths?)

By US puppet Pol Pot after American War, Cambodians 2,000,000

The American war was obviously a population control thing to genocide Indochinese because the killing was never directed solely against the alleged enemy but rather against all Indochinese regardless border restrictions. From the beginning in 1965 to the end in 1975.

The French War was just to regain the colony and failing in that, they broke it up into pieces like frustrated little boys. When they finally got out in 1954 they destroyed anything they could not take with them which was very sad particularly in case of hospitals.

The British (under Labour Harold Wilson) refused to take part in the 1960s - but it seems to have been our troops who got to Saigon first in 1945, released the imprisoned Japanese soldiers to seize the capital afresh and hand it over to the French.

funiki

From: funiki

24-Nov

Thank you for all the information, I appropriate it!

One from the poet team!

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From: funiki

24-Nov

MORE INFORMATION From a Vietnam Veteran on Delphi

18845.72 in reply to 18845.69

Big question - Kennedy started the process by sending in 'advisers,' but it was Johnson who cranked up the gears of war, and relying on the Gulf of Tonkin lie, he and SecDef McNamara oversaw sending 500,000 American boys to Southeast Asia (something LBJ promised not to do during the '64 election).

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Hope that helps your poetry group.

https://forums.delphiforums.com/diversecity/messages/?msg=18845.72

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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

24-Nov

funiki said:

Thank you for all the information, I appropriate it!

Remind people that the Vietnam War probably led to between 8 and 10 million deaths (not including the deaths in Laos as may have come to 2 million).

At one point Nick Turse meets people who spent 10 years living underground after their homes were burned down 3 or 4 or 6 times.

Then the killers came back, labelled their new homes as bunkers and tossed grenades into them.

Same thing as Israel is doing to people in Gaza right now, labelling their homes as tunnels and gassing them there.

Bolomco

From: Bolomco

24-Nov

BerrySteph said:

Same thing as Israel is doing to people in Gaza right now, labelling their homes as tunnels and gassing them there.

An interesting book and topic about Vietnam Veterans and you took the advantage to promote ZITSLAMIST scumbags!

ISN'T THAT SPECIAL?

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Fella13

From: Fella13

24-Nov

Everything  he said was said many times prior, but it's great as a refreshed  course for the millennium! !!

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

25-Nov

Bolomco said:

An interesting book and topic about Vietnam Veterans and you took the advantage to promote ZITSLAMIST scumbags!

I didn't know Nick Turse's book was about Vietnam Veterans.

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