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Why Are We in Ukraine?   Discussions

Started 27-Oct by Apollonius (Theocritos); 4947 views.
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From: BarthaS


How is the US helping Ukraine?

The US has been providing foreign aid to Ukraine since the 1990s, averaging nearly $200 million a year.

This aid declined in the 2000s. Since the war in Ukraine that followed the Maidan revolution in 2014, US development aid has increased sharply again: on average to US$ 320 million per year.


From: BarthaS


Wie helfen die USA der Ukraine?

Die USA haben bereits in den 1990er-Jahren der Ukraine Entwicklungshilfe geleistet, durchschnittlich in Höhe von knapp 200 Millionen US-Dollar pro Jahr.Diese Hilfe ging in den 2000er-Jahren zurück.

Seit dem Krieg in der Ukraine im Anschluss an die Maidan-Revolution 2014 wurde die US-Entwicklungshilfe wieder stark aufgestockt: im Schnitt auf 320 Millionen US-Dollar pro Jahr.


From: AuntBetsie


The military is a lucrative business

Militären är en lukrativ verksamhet

Mills in the Medieval Economy

England 1300-1540
By John Langdon · 2004

The late medieval English milling industry epitomizes one of the most important technical achievements of early societies: the exploitation of wind, water and muscle power for augmenting human endeavours.


Här kan du läsa mer om Must:s historia: Ur Must:s arkiv

Not a (Pinck0)

From: Not a (Pinck0)


Thank you for the update 


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Not a (Pinck0)

From: Not a (Pinck0)



The US began deporting Brazilian opposition leaders back to Brazil this week and the Lula Gulags.  This is taking place at the same time that as evidence was presented that the January 8 riots in Brazilia were staged. Brazil observer and activist Matt Tyrmand said: “They are going full Gulag. This is the worst Communist takeover ever"


From: BarthaS


Something that has to be read - absolutely

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US elites steadily leading the country closer to World War III. Why aren't we talking about this?

Dreher links to the Twitter comments of David P. Goldman, whose essays I have referenced many times:

Ukraine might have 23mn residents left vs. prewar paper total of 43mn, $1 tr of damage on a $120 bn GDP, and a failing military position. The Ghost of Richelieu told me a year ago that Putin would erase Ukraine as a country.

Goldman wrote these two essays back in April and I posted them on several forums.  They are both important reading and maybe even more relevant now as they were 10 months ago: 

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Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.
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From exactly one year ago yesterday:

The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.

The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.

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Also from Mike Whitney:

... the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about. Entire cable channels are now devoted to it. Very soon, that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in Eastern Europe.

Before that happens, it might be worth asking yourself: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle-class job in my town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years? Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl?” (Tucker Carlson,”Americans have been trained to hate Putin, and will suffer because of it“, Fox News)

Is Carlson right, do Americans hate Putin because the media and the political class in Washington have told them to do so?

Yes and no. Yes, the media and the politicians have played a big role in the demonization of Putin. But, no, they’re not the main drivers of this smear campaign. That designation belongs to the plutocrats behind-the-scenes who use the media to attack Putin in order to promote their own globalist agenda. That’s what’s really going on; the news is being shaped to advance the interests of elites.

After all, what do the American people really know about Putin? Have they ever listened his speeches or read his statements following meetings with other world leaders? Have they ever tuned-in to his marathon 4-hour “ask-anything” Q&A sessions? Have they ever read transcripts of his interviews where he speaks candidly on critical policy issues, culture or religion?

No, of course, not. Everything Americans know about Putin they read in the media. And that’s the problem, because media despises Putin. And they despise him for the same reason they despise Trump, because the media’s wealthy owners see him as a threat to their political agenda. That’s the whole deal in a nutshell. Putin is not hated because he is a “KGB thug” or a “new Hitler”; that’s just public relations gibberish. He’s hated because he is an obstacle to the globalists achieving their geopolitical objectives. That’s the motive that drives this smear campaign. Putin has blocked them in Chechnya, South Ossetia, Syria and now Ukraine. He has derailed their grand plan to “pivot to Asia” and to encircle China with US military bases. He has been a thorn in their side for the better part of two decades and he has thrown a wrench in their loony plan to crush emerging centers of power and rule the world for the next century. That’s why they hate him, and that’s why they use their media to make you hate him, too. Check out this chart from a recent report at Pew Research: