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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 10:06 AM 
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Gift ideas continued here: Gifts of firearms and shooting goodies 2


Be sure the person to be gifted is entitled to gun ownership (no problems with their legal right to own a firearms), buy it and give it as a gift, everything should be fine. If in doubt, check your state laws. Handguns may require more paperwork than rifles or shotguns. Giving a used gun from your collection is easier and involves less paperwork/expenses than buying a new one. It is also much easier to give the gun in person than to ship it, especially to a different state.


And a Cartridge in a Pear Tree
From "On Target," by Dick Metcalf, in the November/December 1992 issue of Handgunning, published in Peoria, Illinois. Metcalf is the magazine's Outdoor Editor.

Every year as yuletide rushes in I get frantic inquiries from readers asking about the legality of giving handguns as gifts. Most of these folks are just like me: they don't get around to their Christmas shopping until it's almost Christmas Eve. So when they run into the legal tangles surrounding firearms transfer, they don't have time to find solutions before Santa's big day.

The process can be very complicated and time-consuming, and in some particular state and local jurisdictions it is, sadly, close to being not worth the trouble. The most unfortunate thing from the Christmas-gift point of view is that the legal requirements surrounding firearms transfer make it nearly impossible to give someone a gun as a surprise. Santa can't just leave it under the tree: he'd be committing a federal crime.

First let's deal with firearms gift-giving between residents of different states. The crux of the issue is this: legally you cannot just buy a handgun, wrap it up, and send it directly to a friend or relative in another state as a Christmas present. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms — having learned its trade at the knee of Ebenezer Scrooge — has no holiday spirit at all when it comes to firearms gifts. But there are ways to legally circumvent this general prohibition if you want to take the time and effort.

Let's suppose you live in Arizona and want to give a .22 target pistol to your father, who lives in Illinois. The first thing you would need to do is contact a licensed gun dealer close to your father's residence — Dad's favorite gun shop would be ideal. Find out if the dealer would be willing to process the necessary paperwork to accomplish a legal transfer.

If the dealer in Illinois agrees to help, you would wrap up the gun and ship it to the Illinois dealer. All your father would then have to do is go to the dealer, complete the necessary federal and state forms, go through all the necessary procedures governing handgun transfers, and then — finally — take the gun home.

Obviously, all this makes it impossible to surprise your father with a nicely wrapped package under the tree — unless you were planning to be at your dad's house for the holidays. Then you could buy the gun in your home state, give it to him as a wrapped present on Christmas morning, and afterward go to the local gun shop with him to get the ownership of the pistol legally transferred from you to him. Of course, if there is a waiting period involved, your dad would have to twiddle his thumbs through the Second, Third, and Fourth days of Christmas before he could go back and actually pick up the gun. Bah, humbug.

So far we've been looking at the gift of a gun to an adult. What happens when Dad and Mom want to give young Johnny or Mary Sue his or her first target pistol? Nearly all states have statutes establishing minimum ages at which youngsters can legally possess guns as their own personal property. In some states it's as low as twelve. Some states require that minors carry firearms only when accompanied by their parents or other responsible adults. If you are unclear about your state's laws on this subject, check with the state legal authority.

Here's the bottom line: there is nothing in any federal, state, or local law that actually prohibits you from purchasing a firearm for the purpose of transferring it as a gift to someone else. But the procedures involved can be so very damned complicated as to take nearly all of the fun out of it.

Oh, well.

Have a merry Christmas anyway.

  • Edited November 11, 2022 5:53 pm  by  EdGlaze
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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 10:07 AM 
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Giving a Firearm as a Gift?
Some Reminders from NSSF

December 7, 2010

( —The holidays are here. As hunters, shooters, collectors or just plain plinkers, it's a natural instinct to want to share our enjoyment of firearms with others. What better way to do that than to make a gift of a firearm to a family member, close friend or relative?

The first thing to remember if you're thinking about giving someone a gun is that … it's a gun! You already know that ownership of a firearm brings with it some serious legal and ethical obligations that other consumer products don't. So let's look at some questions you may have about giving a firearm as a gift.

The first question you have to ask is whether the intended recipient can legally own the firearm where he or she lives. More than 20,000 different gun laws on the books, even the kinds of firearms that law-abiding citizens can own vary from place to place.

For example, juveniles (under age 18) generally speaking are precluded by law from possessing a handgun. Check out the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) website for an overview of local laws and, whatever you do, don't forget that you can never under any circumstances transfer a firearm to someone you know or have reasonable cause to believe legally can't own one. That's a federal felony, so be careful.

Though there's no federal law that prohibits a gift of a firearm to a relative or friend that lives in your home state, some states — California for example — require you to transfer the gun through a local firearms dealer so an instant background check will be performed to make sure the recipient is not legally prohibited from owning the gun.

The ATF recommends that if you want to give someone a new firearm, rather than going to a gun store, buying it on your own and giving it to, say, your father, consider instead purchasing a gift certificate from that gun retailer and giving that to Dad as his present. That way he'll get exactly the gun he or she wants, and there's no question about who is "the actual buyer of the firearm," which is a question any purchaser must certify on the Federal Form 4473 at the time of purchase.

Interstate shipments of firearms must go via a common carrier, not the U.S. Mail, and you have to declare that the package contains an unloaded firearm.

What if you want to give "Old Betsy," your favorite old deer rifle, to your son or daughter as a college graduation gift? Again, in most states, there's no law that says you can't, but some states require even interfamily transfers to go through a licensed dealer. Remember, you can never transfer a firearm directly to another person who is a resident of a different state.

In that case, you must transfer the firearm through a licensed dealer in the state where the person receiving the gift resides. Using a gift certificate from a firearms retailer near where the recipient lives might be a good solution. Pre-1898 antique firearms are generally exempt from the dealer requirement. Be safe and check with your dealer or local law enforcement before you hand over your prized possession.

  • Edited 12/10/2010 8:23 pm by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 10:07 AM 
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Lame Gifts NOT To Buy Gun Owners

A Gift Should Not Insult The Recipient

Persons, desiring to give a "thoughtful" gift to a gun-owning friend or family member, may be in a quandary as to what they should buy. The general thought is that the donor wants to show the donee that the donor appreciates his hobby which the donor may not share.

Be admonished, however, that no matter how well intentioned a desire to make a good impression on a donee, the gift selection exercise could backfire if donor purchases a lame gift.

In no particular, the top five lame gifts to give a gun-owner are listed as the following:

A CCW Badge 

Nothing quite says "Loser" like a possessor of one of these badges. They have absolutely no merit from a legal perspective. If a member of law enforcement "pulls over" a Concealed Pistol Licensee on a traffic stop, the display of this badge may not only draw a stern lecture but also a ticket for "failing to immediately disclose" his licensee status. The officer wants to see the state issued Concealed Pistol License - not a badge.

A Magazine Loader 

Every self-respecting owner of a semi-automatic handgun should be able to manually load his magazines without the aid and assistance of a cheap mechanical device. Granted, the act of loading magazines is a somewhat daunting task at first, however it is a rite of passage he should go through. In time, the owner of an "auto-loader" should be able to master the art of magazine loading with a little practice.

An "Uncle Mike's" IWB Concealment Holster 

This particular model is widely available and inexpensive. Thus, without intervention it could easily become a X-Mas stocking stuffer. If you insist on buying a holster for someone, do not buy this model. They are made of an easily damaged faux suede-like material and the holster's clip does not reliably stay in place when drawing. A good quality holster is made of leather and will cost at least $50. Holsters are also a very personal item which must fit with the wardrobe, he individual's size, needs and preferences.

A Fanny-Pack Concealment Pouch 

A individual with this firearm carrying device is signaling to everyone around him that he is carrying a concealed firearm, which for many defeats the whole purpose of concealed carry. In short, it's a lame choice for a gift unless the person really wants one.

Concealment Vest 

As is the case with Fanny-Pack Concealment Pouches, these vests are "dead-giveaways" that the possessor is carrying a concealed firearm. I have yet to see someone wear one of these vests and fit into the environment unless they are actually hunting. A vest of this sort will more likely draw stares from onlookers trying to guess where the gun is hidden — bad idea.

Parting Shots

Hopefully, after reviewing this list you will not commit a faux-pas by buying a lame gift for a gun-owning friend or family member. However, if the gift is intended as a gag, you may find a winning selection. Of course, if the donee actually likes the gift, the joke will have back-fired and you will have labeled the person as a lamer to others in the gun community.

Ed adds:

If in doubt, give a gift card to an online sporting store, like AcademyCabela's or Cheaper Than Dirt, so they can choose their own gift.

If a pistol owner needs a magazine loader then he probably already has one, especially if he has had advanced trainings since multiple magazines are required along with hundreds of rounds of ammo to load.

Holsters are a trial and error experiment and most shooters end up with several, or a box full, that they have bought and don't use.

  • Edited 12/18/2011 7:01 pm by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 10:08 AM 
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17 Thoughtful Gifts For The Gun-Nut You Know!
by Rick_Ector

What do you buy the "gun enthusiast" in your family or close circle of friends? If you are not a firearm owner, you may be reluctant to find that special gift which effectively demonstrates "thoughtfulness." You just don't know what they might want. Well, worry no more! This article will suggest several gift ideas for your gun-toting relations and buddies! Buying a gift on this list for the gun-owner you know will earn you major cool points — for a non gun owner!

In no particular order, I would suggest the following gift ideas for gun owners:

1. Gun Cleaning Kit
2. Automobile Gun Safe
3. Zombie Paper Targets
4. Gun Range Bag
5. Tactical Flashlight (see Tactical flashlight discussion)
6. 1 Year NRA Membership 
    (if needed, or give them another of the NRA magazines)
7. Gun Range Membership
8. Bulk Ammunition
9. Guns & Ammo Magazine Subscription
10. Laser Sight Grips  (see Weapon-mounted lasers discussion)
11. Spare Ammo Magazines
12. Ammo Magazine Holder
13. Magazine Extender
14. Reloading Kit
15. Electronic Hearing Protection
16. Ballistic Pad
17. Concealed Carry Class

  • Edited 11/21/2010 6:12 pm by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 10:21 AM 
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A good suggestion was made on the radio show episode shown below:

Whatever gift you buy, if it will fit, put in into an ammo can rather than a regular box.

Ammo cans and other goodies can be found at military surplus stores.



Gun Nuts: The Next Generation is a pro-gun, political radio show hosted by Caleb from Gun Nuts Media and various guest hosts. Each week, we'll discuss issues important to the shooting community, from politics to new guns and gear.

Gun Nuts Radio: CHRISTMAS
Original Air Date: 12/15/2009 9:00 PM
Man, I love Christmas
(gift ideas start about 35 minutes into the show)


My Letter to Santa
by  Randy Plante

Dear Santa,

How are you and Mrs. Claus?  Everything going well at the North Pole? Thanks for the socks and underwear you gave me last year. I have been really good this year.  Hopefully you can check that on your list. There have been some politicians that have been bad, will you be giving them chunks of coal?

For Christmas, would you please get me some guns? I bought a new gun cabinet this summer and was hoping to fill it up. Plus, we have had our Constitutional rights threatened by Congress and liberal judges concerning gun ownership here in the U.S. and it is probably best for me to get as many as I can right now. There are so many different kinds of guns to choose from so I will be very specific. I am sure you are getting many requests for guns and the Elves are extra busy.

For a handgun I would like the .45 caliber Colt 1918 WW I replica. Anybody that wants an automatic pistol and appreciates the military culture has to have the legendary model 1911 style in the house. I grew up watching all the military movies and John Wayne is my hero. More recently, a wounded Tom Hanks is seen firing his .45 at an oncoming German tank in the movie “Saving Private Ryan”. While serving in the Air Force, we only had old .38 Smith & Wesson revolvers. The .45 packs a much bigger punch and fires more rounds.

My choice for a rifle is the lever action, .30-30 Winchester Model 94. Western movies were my second favorite to watch. I can’t forget the image of a cowboy riding his horse across the valley with a Winchester rifle holstered to the saddle. There were always awesome outdoor scenes of mountains, rivers and prairies. Of course another influence on my selection is Chuck Connors, the tough actor in the TV show “The Rifleman”. He was not only an expert shot with his rifle, but was also a great role model for his son.  

I especially need a new shotgun for Christmas. I have started shooting outdoor trap this year but have to rent one at the range. The rental is an old Browning over/under which has rarely been cleaned and missing a front site. I'm sure it's the rental gun causing me to miss so many clays. The shotgun I want is the 12 gauge Beretta 686 White Onyx with a 28 inch barrel. Having been around guns for years, there really isn’t anything much better than looking cool with an opened over/under shotgun hanging over my shoulder.

Alright Santa, I have one more request from you. How about some stocking stuffers? Ammunition for my guns would be an added treat. .38, .357, .380, .45, .223, heck, boxes of anything would be nice and fit perfectly in a stocking. Having a hard time around here finding ammo — the stores keep selling out.

Thanks in advance for your special gifts this year. I hope you and everyone at the North Pole have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

So readers — what gun do you want from Santa and why?


Ed's comment:

I just bought myself a Hi Point 9mm pistol and 9mm carbine. These less expensive guns will allow me to purchase much less expensive ammunition for training. Becoming too proficient is something you strive for but never achieve — hopefully I will be much better by next Christmas.


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/22/09 11:18 PM 
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On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me — a gun!
by Mike Stollenwerk
DC Gun Rights Examiner
12 Dec 2009

Now that most Americans are deep into the post Cyber Monday milieu of trying to figure out what presents to buy for whom by Christmas day, perhaps it's time for more of us to consider the gift that keeps on giving — the gift of self-defense! A gun.

Imagine the surprise and joy when your loved one finds her new concealable handgun as a stocking stuffer. Or the wonder when a child opens up that long box containing her first rifle. That would be a Christmas that will never be forgotten.

Firearm gifts have a proud heritage in America, which, though waning in this era of political correctness, remain legal and more common that many might think. Unfortunately, the anti-gun rights lobby continues its propaganda drumbeat against the tradition of firearm gifts by trying to pound into everyone's heads that there is a "loophole" at gun shows that enables people to obtain guns without paperwork and background checks.

So consider guns this year for the folks on your Christmas list, and maybe even for that "Secret Santa" party at the office.

The fact is that there is no loophole! There is not a single state which has less restrictive gun transfer laws at gun shows than venues outside the show's premises.

In most states, the rule for gun shows is exactly the same as it is on the street, at the yard sale, on the Internet, and under the Christmas tree: Unless a federally licensed gun dealer is transferring the gun, no background check or paperwork is required for transfers between residents of the same state.

As the map below illustrates, America remains a sea of gun transfer freedom pockmarked by only a few islands of state restrictions on the right to privately transfer guns:

By private transfer, we mean without use of dealers, paperwork, or background checks — California is one of only 3 states requiring all transfers to go thru dealers. In the vast majority of states, you can legally stand on the street corner and occasionally sell guns from your gun collection.

  • Edited November 11, 2022 9:27 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/3/10 3:45 PM 
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Gift suggestions — not already mentioned — from Tom Gresham's Gun Talk Radio of 20 Dec 09:

Sun, 20 December 2009
Guntalk 2009-12-20 Part B
Hour Two - Open Lines
Direct download: 091220guntalkB.mp3


  • Edited 11/26/2010 8:08 pm by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host4/6/10 11:03 AM 
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Related discussions:

Should I buy a gun? 

Buying a used long gun

How to buy a used handgun


Also see discussions in the Interesting Stuff folder for more gift ideas.


  • Edited November 11, 2022 9:28 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host11/12/10 5:44 PM 
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Caldwell Ultimate Target Stand with Oversized Backer

Manufacturer: Caldwell Shooting Supplies — $30
Please visit a Caldwell dealer near you.

The durable all-weather design and user-friendly features truly make this new target stand The Ultimate Target Stand. The stand features an oversized backer to hold multiple large targets (two 15" targets side by side) and is constructed of an all-weather moisture resistant material. The large size makes sighting in easy, no more bullets missing the target. The modular frame design collapses to occupy much less space during transport & storage. The frame arms are constructed of durable steel rod and hold the backer securely in place. Removable ground stabilizer adds support from wind during use and conveniently stows onto the feet. The base of the stand is open, allowing you to use your foot to drive the molded-in metal spikes solidly into the ground. It even has an integrated storage container for holding miscellaneous range supplies such as staples or target pasters.

Oversized backer
Holds two 15"x15" targets side by side
All weather, moisture resistant construction
Durable steel rod frame arms
Collapsible, modular frame
Removable ground stabilizer
Integrated storage container
Great for sighting in or patterning

Buy two and set up a target board:



If you have soft ground it works fine, but to much pressure when you push it into the ground will break the plastic. High winds will blow the backer board off if you don't fasten it to the metal holders. I put my foot on the bottom rail to push into the ground and it shattered. I have since screwed the rest of it onto a saw horse and it seems to work now. Cheaply made soft plastic.


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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host11/21/10 1:04 PM 
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Gun Stuff


Handgun (The Basics) — $29.95 with free shipping

Here is the most comprehensive DVD on handgun safety and shooting. Created by internationally recognized firearms and self defense instructor, Brian K. LaMaster, President of Innovative Tactical Concepts, LLC, this video provides more in-depth detail on basic handgun handling than any other video to date.

Innovative Tactical Concepts has shipped DVD's around the world, including to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

  • Fundamental gun safety rules
  • Proper gun etiquette
  • Malfunction clearing procedures
  • Cartridge malfunctions
  • Understanding the types of revolvers and semi-automatics and their parts
  • How to properly load and unload your gun
  • The 6 key elements to marksmanship
  • Two-handed and one-handed shooting stances
  • Identifying the main causes of accidents
  • How to store your guns and ammo
  • And much more

This video is perfect for learning basic handgun technique or refreshing your skills. It makes a great gift too.


See the Books & References folder for more gift ideas of books, videos, and DVDs.

  • Edited 12/3/2010 9:12 pm by EdGlaze

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