Enjoy Delphi Forums ad free! Click here.
Gun Laws & Courts -  Tips for protesting (legally) (355 views) Notify me whenever anyone posts in this discussion.Subscribe
From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host10/1/17 12:17 PM 
To: All  (1 of 12) 

5 More Tips for Protesting (Legally)
by Christopher Coble, Esq.
15 Aug 17 

In the wake of mass demonstrations during the 2016 Republican National Convention, we prepared a little primer on protest related laws. And after the tragic and horrifying events in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, we thought it might be time to round up some more questions, answers, and tips for keeping your protest activities legal.

Usually, protesters are charged with:

  • Trespassing
  • Disturbing the peace
  • Disorderly conduct
  • Failing to obey an officer's instruction
  • Obstruction of justice
  • Resisting arrest
  • Assault

If you get arrested while protesting, it is important to forget your First Amendment right to free speech and remember your Fifth Amendment right to silence so as to not incriminate yourself. Anything you say can be used against you. You can be charged with a crime even if you do not think you did anything wrong. Demand to speak with a lawyer and don't answer the officer's questions (apart from providing your identification).

So here are five more legal aspects to protests and public demonstrations to consider before taking it to the streets.

1. Is It Legal for Protesters to Block Traffic?

Any time you get a large enough group together, there's going to be some people in the streets. And many public demonstrations are marches, specifically designed to mobilize protesters on the road. But are these traffic disruptions legal? And can police use traffic laws to shut down un-permitted protests and marches?

Although organized protests or marches can obtain permits to close streets, frequently protesters move from the permitted areas. When protesters block highways or streets that they are not permitted to be on, they do risk arrest. However, police are loathe to arrest peaceful protesters, even when they block traffic.

2. Is It Illegal to Record Police Without Telling Them Why?

Nearly every court to hear the issue has said that it is legal to videotape or otherwise record police, so long as you are not interfering with them.

In often chaotic political clashes, video is king. In some cases, perhaps someone recording the police at a protest is hoping to deter or record police brutality. In other cases, video can capture acts of violence against police. And, in some jurisdictions, you may have to announce your reasoning behind the recording.

3. Is Police Use of Sound Cannons to Disperse Crowds Legal?

If demonstrations get out of hand, police need effective, non-lethal means of dispersing the crowd. But are 120-decibel sound cannons that can cause nausea, migraines, ringing ears, and hearing problems really the best (or legal) alternative?

4. 7 Facts About Criminal Law Every College Student Should Know

Colleges and universities have long been the epicenter for political protests. But does the law regarding public demonstrations change on campus? Does it matter if the school is private or public? And what if campus police are involved?

There may be limits to your exercise of free speech. Planning a protest or some form of civil disobedience? If you go to a private school, you may have much less freedom with regard to how the school treats you in your exercise of free speech. Just like private companies, privately funded colleges can discipline you based on your opinions.

5. Arrested for Resisting Arrest: What You Need to Know

Perhaps the most important thing to remember at a protest is that if you refuse to obey police orders, you risk getting arrested. And resisting arrest can be a distinct offense in and of itself.

Don't expect officers to be super logical when at the scene of a crime or protest, especially if tensions are heightened. Resisting arrest, New York attorney and former prosecutor Nathaniel Burney says, is a charge officers sometimes use to justify controversial arrests or give them added legitimacy.

Burney explains, "There is this — it's not necessarily an evil mentality — but it is a mentality that, 'I am in charge, and you shall not contradict me, you're going to do what I say, at all costs,' " he says. "And if you don't do what they say, well now all of a sudden you're a bad person and they've got to arrest you for that."

If you've been arrested at a protest — or are just trying to make sure you avoid that fate — call an experienced civil rights attorney today.

  • Edited October 1, 2017 12:20 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host10/1/17 2:09 PM 
To: All  (2 of 12) 
 1912.2 in reply to 1912.1 

Protect your protest

1. Before you go.

Make informed decisions

Know your rights — There are a number of rights that you exercise when taking the part in protests. But rules and regulations on protest vary from country to country so make sure you find out what they are and how existing restrictions might affect your participation in a particular protest.

Find out about the background to the protest and be clear about what type of protest it is — Make sure you know who is organising it, what cause they are defending and what type of actions they plan to do during the protest. Think about the risks, opportunities and legal implications of the protest. Decide what you think and what you feel comfortable doing.

Keep a cool head — However passionately you feel about the cause, it’s crucial that you are in the right state of mind in the planning stage of your participation. Make sure you weigh up the risks — don’t exaggerate or minimize them.

Choose the best approach — Be mindful that many more restrictions are permitted on violent protests. Violence won’t help you to achieve your goals. Imagination, creativity and humor can be far more effective in protests.

Plan carefully

Make a plan of action with your friends — And make sure everyone agrees to stick to it — before, during and after the protests. Make a plan B, too, just in case something goes wrong and you have to change.

Check what you bring — Wear comfortable clothes and shoes. Do not take things you won’t need and avoid bringing anything that could put you or those around you in danger, or give the police an excuse to detain you on suspicion of intent to commit a crime.

Find out about any civil society and human rights groups or networks that could help you — Especially with plans or support if something goes wrong.

Protect your privacy

Don’t make it easy for snoopers — In today’s world, it’s essential to protect your privacy, online and offline. And it’s not just about you: if you protect your own privacy, it will also help protect your friends’ privacy. Be aware that snoopers look for specific key words on social media that might suggest you’re participating in a protest.

Be aware of the implications of covering your face or disguising your identity — Some demonstrators wear face paint, glasses, hoods or masks to conceal their identity. But others use these to carry out criminal acts and discredit the protest. Be aware of the implications of disguising yourself, as it might be illegal in your country.

Strike the right balance — It is essential to protect your privacy. But be aware that if you or others run into trouble, it is crucial that you can be identified so that the appropriate safety and solidarity networks can help you.

Communicate safely

Keep in touch — Stay in contact with someone who is not at the protest. Organise times to check in and agree what you’ll do if something goes wrong. If necessary, do this through civil society and human rights groups.

Know whom to contact — Make a list of people and organisations you can contact in case of emergency. Keep the list on your mobile and have a written copy too, in case you lose your phone or run out of charge or credit.

Weigh up the risks of using a mobile — Having a mobile device with you can help you and others stay safe. But depending on your privacy settings and the type of phone, it can also give away information about your identity, whereabouts, plans and friends. Decide what’s best for you.

Have alternative ways of staying in touch — Don’t rely exclusively on your mobile device: the signal may get blocked, jammed or monitored. Agree check-in times and meeting points with your friends in advance.

Encrypt your mobile

For iPhone: ‘Settings’, ‘General’, ‘ Touch ID & Passcode’. Follow the prompts to create a passcode. When you’ve finished, check it says ‘Data protection is enabled’.

For Android: ‘Settings’, ‘Security’, ‘Encrypt device’.

If you want to secure your communications use encrypted channels — This isn’t as hard as it might seem. Try: 

E-mails: Pretty Good Privacy (PGP). 
Chats: Off the Record (OTR). 
Mobiles: TextSecure or ChatSecure.

If possible, talk face-to-face. Be aware of possible legal implications in your country for use of encryption and that this might provoke suspicion amongst law enforcement authorities.

Only take what you can afford to lose — Before the protest, back up your phone and delete any information you don’t need to have with you. You can always reload the data when you get back from the protest.


  • Edited October 1, 2017 2:10 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host10/1/17 5:39 PM 
To: All  (3 of 12) 
 1912.3 in reply to 1912.2 

From: Freakisingh12/23/17 7:16 AM 
To: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 12) 
 1912.4 in reply to 1912.2 

I agree to the statement. But people can overcome it by spending there time in other things. Like they can do Discord Login and Play with the Discord Bots. They can enjoy playing the games online can listen to the music and then they will be calm. There would be no need to protest. 

 Reply   Options 

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconJun-12 6:55 AM 
To: All  (5 of 12) 
 1912.5 in reply to 1912.3 

10 Rules for postmodern rioting
Is it deemed more or less evil to wear a mask while hitting a store owner over the head with a two-by-four?

by Victor Davis Hanson, American Greatness
7 Jun 20

The peaceful protests against the terrible brutalization and death of George Floyd soon either themselves turned violent or, in many cases, were hijacked by Antifa operatives and opportunistic looters or both. It was certainly not as alleged a “small number” who destroyed swaths of New York, Santa Monica, Minneapolis, or Philadelphia.

After watching hours of such footage of mayhem and destruction, one can glean a few rules that the rioters apparently followed quite religiously. And they are often disconcerting if not bizarre. Here is a sample of 10.

Rule 1: Selfies

In our culture of narcissism, rioters seemed intent on obsessing with their smartphones, often to capture their criminality with as many selfies as possible, as well as recording friends’ crimes in action. It was almost as if looting was envisioned as performance art.

Was the logic that there is always time to steal and burn, but not so much to capture oneself momentarily breaking and entering for posterity? Why would anyone take time to record the act of lighting up a store or kicking in a window? Is the postmodern assumption that when one posts these revolutionary acts on Facebook, some Hollywood talent agent in his Malibu home gym might spot the scene in cyberspace of shattering glass or defacing the Lincoln Monument and Skype his interest therein in a future actor? Are there stars born among the flames?

Rule 2: Masks

Apparently, one may hate the state and its rules of law and order, but government still has a point when it comes to a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying from COVID-19 — and in the prime of life.

Obviously, there are some dangers associated with lighting fires, blowing up cars, tossing Molotov cocktails into police vehicles, and entering a small business where the owner could be armed — but why take additional needless risks? So some rioters wear masks to protect both their own health and that of their fellow looters — and I suppose the health, too, of the cops and any innocent bystanders they happen to assault.

Is it deemed more or less evil to wear a mask while hitting a store owner over the head with a two-by-four? Moreover, the ubiquity of masks seems to denote multiple uses: hiding identity while protecting the lungs from the toxic fumes one ignites? Masks not worn en masse while damning capitalism seem exempted acts in a way that masks worn by single individuals while trying to make a living are not.

What will be the governors’ new narrative about masks and social distancing: if you wish to protest, even loot or burn, the state grants you permission to violate quarantine, but only as long as you don’t try to reopen an urgent care or a florist shop?

Rule 3: Race

In a crusade to end racial hierarchy, some protestors seemed adamant in practicing racial separatism and spacing. Young, white, single, childless, upper-middle-class kids, perhaps many living in their parents’ basements, are usually stigmatized as Pajama Boys. So often they compensate by posing as hardened deadly revolutionaries. But, in fact, they also consider themselves precious assets and therefore more equal than others. They have professional futures and with them resumes that a felony indictment might sidetrack. So they ease back in the shadows to plot grand strategy on social media and issue periodic orders where to assemble and which store to torch.

As clever and privileged propagandists, they certainly will be sure that inner-city looters are caught on national television carrying out high-definition televisions, while to the rear they provide the sloganeering, the edgy graffiti, and the bricks and bottles for the foot-soldiers they order callously into battle. In Minneapolis, it was reported that mostly white looters destroyed a black-owned business purportedly on behalf of the Black Lives Matter.

Does Antifa practice proportional representation and disparate impact? And if not, why not?

Rule 4: Staples

Why do not the soldiers of a revolution that seeks to bring social justice to the underclass that is deprived of the very staples of daily existence, focus on life essentials? Why instead do they hunt Louis Vuitton bags, Nike sneakers, iPhones, and laptops? Are these treasures edible? Is the point to destroy capitalist triflings or to run off with them? What is the logic of officials in major cities who plead with Walmart to stay in the inner-city, after its unguarded stores were left to be attacked and ruined?

Rule 5: Class

Those in academia, Hollywood, and the media count on rioters to be arrested for the cause, and they certainly will generously provide electronic bail and moral encouragement on Twitter. The heroism of those with two-by-fours and rocks will be championed from the Upper West Side and Menlo Park. The elite Left asks only of the looters to keep clear of Palos Verdes Estates and not enter Westchester.

After this is all over, it is assumed that their present empathy in a moment of revolutionary fervor does not mean that the children of those arrested will school with those of their abettors. Looters and rioters will not be welcomed as noble peasants in the sacrosanct feudal keeps of Presidio Heights, and they should not expect a dinner invitation from the Hollywood Hills. The Malibu manor walls of Cher and Barbra Streisand will not come down with the revolution. Cyber-solidarity between left-wing rich and poor, white and black, ends when the last rock is thrown and the final match is lit.


  • Edited June 12, 2020 6:56 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconJun-12 6:57 AM 
To: All  (6 of 12) 
 1912.6 in reply to 1912.5 

Rule 6: The Children

Demonstrators never know who is among their arrested. Take, for example, New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio’s daughter, who sympathizes with the looting her dad seems to fuel. Or Keith Ellison’s councilman son who praises Antifa and wants to abolish the police. Perhaps consider Minnesota Governor Tim Walz’s daughter, who was supplying Antifa with tips about the arrival of the National Guard. Or U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar’s (D-Minn.) daughter, who was shouting that the United States is racist from the barricades.

On the battlefield, the police chief, the mayor, the state attorney general, and the governor are strangely seen as allies, so much so that some seem willing to give over their Twitter-warrior children for the cause, at least momentarily in zero-bail states.

Rule 7: Because … Reasons

What was the purpose of setting St. John’s Church on fire, breaking into a Lincoln automobile dealership, or defacing the World War II monument and the Lincoln Memorial? Was all that the best way to pay homage to the memory of George Floyd and express discontent over his death and brutalization while in Minneapolis police custody?

Was there burning and stoning because the progressive authorities did not quickly enough charge the police officers responsible for Floyd’s death with murder and manslaughter? Was there rioting because the mayor of Minneapolis was a reactionary or the governor of Minnesota was a right-winger plotting to protect the offending officers? Did the arsonists have no confidence in Minnesota’s attorney general, who now oversees the case, and in the past had provided support and empathy for Antifa?

Rule 8: Media

Nothing is more embarrassing for journalists on camera, while assuring America of the demonstrators’ passivity and lawfulness, than to see flames lick the top of their television monitors.

Why would one clumsily leave an empty Adidas box at the feet of a sympathetic reporter to be captured on live television as he waxes on about the calm in the night? Why would a PBS reporter Yamiche Alcindor assure us that Donald Trump is an incendiary figure for having suggested looters were anarchists and then send along a photo of demonstrators defacing monuments with anarchist symbols as proof Trump was wrong?

What sums up the media in this moment? In the midst of the chaos, MSNBC hires Lisa Page, of the renowned but now mostly  fired FBI legal all-stars dismissed from the Robert Mueller dream team, and the heroine of the Strozk-Page text trove psychodramas.

Rule 9: Stuff Happens

There seems to be no such thing as “collateral damage.” Rioters consider themselves the human equivalent of Obama-era drones in flight over Pakistan that cannot possibly distinguish the enemy from civilians. If one errs and brutalizes a woman in a wheelchair, stomps a confused trucker trying to deliver gas, renders an elderly woman bereft of her local pharmacy, or bludgeons a middle-aged woman in front of her store, then it seems to be chalked up to “shit happens.” or in a more revolutionary sense, “Omelets cannot be made without breaking eggs.”

Are rioters fans of the protocols of the rogue cops who feel they can beat up the arrested to advance law and order — as they burn, loot, and beat to show us our shared future of racial ecumenicalism and tolerance?

Rule 10: Mixed-up Messaging

Finally, the media advises rioters to be careful not to do anything stupid. Like over-burning or hyper-torching, perhaps?

Susan Rice warns us that there are purportedly all sorts of Russians out there armed to the teeth. Homeowners are written off as the deluded who mysteriously believe that they have a right to stop looters battering in their doors. A few nutty bakers and liquor store owners are armed and they are deranged enough to shoot when a rioter merely shatters their glass or politely borrows some whiskey.

Yet most store owners and capitalists are expected not to be armed with “automatic” weapons in front of their stores defending “property” over “lives.” So in bullying fashion, looters focus on the weak and unguarded, not the strong and dangerous. We are told that some reactionaries in America still believe in that ludicrous idea of “private property” and “brick and mortar” and they actually assume that saving what they themselves have stolen from the people is worth dying for. And so they are usually avoided. Looters and rioters remind us of the Neanderthal logic that deterrence discourages the cowardly while laxity whets his appetite.

Finally, were these riots and the destruction of shops inadvertently designed to show us that we need more gun control? Were these to be arguments for disbanding the police? Were the defacements of the World War II monument and the memorial to the black veterans of the Civil War supposed to be advertisements for the need for “unity” and “tolerance”?

Were the thefts from Nike stores to remind us of an impoverished barefoot nation? Or were the massed protests and shoulder-to-shoulder looting a planned scientific shock experiment to show us that social distancing had become outdated, or the lockdown was far past its prime, and the virus tired and in retreat?

Was the point of these Trump-haters to end the lockdown by massing without masks, and thereby jumpstarting the economy to get Trump reelected?


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconJun-13 5:31 AM 
To: All  (7 of 12) 
 1912.7 in reply to 1912.6 





Informative article:

These Are Your Rights at a Protest
You can't be punished for what you say, even if it's controversial.
by Gretchen Brown
31 July 19





From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconJun-20 11:42 PM 
To: All  (8 of 12) 
 1912.8 in reply to 1912.7 

Amid pandemic, protest peacefully while staying healthy
5 Jun 20

You've watched police brutality protests unfold across America and you want to take part, but you fear that choice could raise your risk of coronavirus infection. Is there a way to express your outrage without endangering your health?

Yes, say doctors who offer tips on safely joining large protests on the streets of cities across the country.

"During this time when the American public is already mentally stretched thin due to the stresses of COVID-19, the expression of national outrage is a normal and understandable response," said Dr. Steven Siegel, a psychiatrist with Keck Medicine of the University of Southern California (USC).

"During turmoil, as always, it is key that we acknowledge and address all forms of trauma, including the psychological trauma caused by racism," Siegel noted in a USC news release.

Here are some tips for safely protesting during a pandemic:

  • Maintain a distance of at least six feet between you and others.
  • Regularly sanitize your hands with soap and water, if possible, or hand sanitizer; carry hand sanitizer with you.
  • Wear a mask or face covering at all times when you are around people.
  • Don't bring unnecessary items with you that you will have to disinfect later.
  • Wash clothes and belongings immediately after returning home.

Dr. Neha Nanda is medical director of infection prevention and antimicrobial stewardship for Keck Medicine. She said, "After attending a protest, it is also important to closely monitor your health. Keep a close eye out for symptoms such as a cough, fever or chills, shortness of breath, muscle aches, headaches, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, nausea, vomiting or diarrhea. Call your doctor if these symptoms develop."

If you have any lung disease and are exposed to tear gas you should see your doctor or go to the emergency room, said Dr. Richard Castriotta, a pulmonary critical care doctor with Keck.

"Coughing is a normal reaction to tear gas, which clears out the lungs, but people should make sure they separate from others when coughing or around those coughing to avoid the spread of COVID-19," Castriotta said.

Tear gas can also burn the eyes, said ophthalmologist Dr. Kimberly Gokoffski. "The best thing to do if tear gassed is to flush your eye with water for at least 30 minutes," she advised. Make sure the eye is open when doing so, and that water is getting into the eye and under the eyelid. This should be done immediately with bottled water, if at all possible, Gokoffski said in the news release.

Other tips from the experts include: Bring a first-aid kit containing band-aids and antibiotic ointment with you; drink plenty of water to guard against dehydration; and don't be afraid to go to the hospital. Hospitals are safe places and staff there take precautions against the coronavirus.



From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconSep-20 12:59 PM 
To: All  (9 of 12) 
 1912.9 in reply to 1912.8 


3 Jun 20

Looting, also referred as sacking, plundering, pillaging… it’s the stealing of goods by force as part of a military or political victory, or during times of lawlessness (when law enforcement is ineffective). Seemingly, the acts of looting have become integral part of activities surrounding civil protesting — the news media headlines tell the story; “looters ransack stores, clash with police after peaceful march”; “looting continues as nearly 700 arrested by police”; “dozens loot 6th Street business not once, but twice”; “businesses looted in amid city-wide riots”; “city wide-spread looting, gunfire curfew declared”…

Although television viewers, social media and onlookers; may be more sympathetic to looters who are stealing; food, diapers, other necessities; they are not as forgiving to looters who steal — TVs, laptop computers, guns, smartphones, appliances… Many looters follow the ‘mob mentality’ and concluded — it’s okay to participate in looting, since others are doing it.

It’s an interesting phenomena; under intense mob situations, when so many people are doing it, then others are going to do it too. According to Joseph Napoli; from perspective of many looters, it’s a life-and-death situation for having basic necessities, such as; food and basic supplies… Also for the late-night comedians, it’s entertainment and great topic for the monologue; joking and making fun of looters stealing — TVs, household appliance… it’s good for the ratings.

But the act of looting may also go far beyond morality and mob mentality. Some looters are driven to the edge by literally seeing their world destroyed and turned upside down. And all remnants of their homes and neighborhoods wiped out — and they loot for survival. Other looters have latent character traits, and they only participate in looting under chaotic lawlessness. Unfortunately the real story — being high-jacked by the looters — is the legitimate and peaceful protectors who are trying to change the system.

According to Rich Lowry; for looters, looting is fun. One important thing to realize about looting is that it’s usually enjoyable for those engaged in it, who exult in the momentary suspension of any rules. Of course, looting is, first and foremost, is stealing. It’s a crime, and depending on the circumstances, a looter may be arrested for petty theft, larceny, grand theft, burglary, destruction of property…

Some states also have laws that pertain specifically to looting, often with stiffer penalties. Unfortunately, a looter can only be charged with a crime if he or she is caught. Since police forces are often busy dealing with the fall out of all the chaos, there is a strong possibility that looters may never be identified or caught.

In the article Psychology of Looting by Michael Hurd writes: Many sociologists suggested that looters as helpless, frightened and frustrated people simply doing what they can to survive in ‘unjust’ society.  In reality, as many looters have demonstrated, they generally know exactly what they’re doing, and why. Other social experts condemn looters actions as — reckless, self-defeating, criminal, and selfish. But for looters, looting is an entitlement. According to DeAndre Smith looting is justified, it’s an entitlement. Looters are proud to be looters. This is what’s supposed to happen when there is injustice in the community…

Many people might dismiss these looter’s comments as absurd or marginal. But not so fast! The premise of these comments is; I’m entitled to what I need. The looter is saying to the business owner he/she is looting; I’m entitled to this loot. The looter is making a statement about morality. He/she is saying; All this loot is mine. I am entitled to it. I need it to survive.

In theory, the looter receives more or less what the business owner loses. According to Joe Carter; looting is special kind of stealing: it’s stealing plus destruction. The person who steals a candy bar is a thief. The person who breaks a store front window and steals a candy bar is a looter. Looters destroy intermediate goods and infrastructure and gain far less than owners lose. It’s worst kind of stealing. But from morality stand-point; How is this looting any different from groups marching (or lobbying) in Washington D.C. and trying to get its share of the national ‘loot’?


  • Edited September 20, 2020 1:04 pm  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member IconSep-20 1:05 PM 
To: All  (10 of 12) 
 1912.10 in reply to 1912.9 

In the article Who Exactly Is Doing the Looting, Who’s Being Looted? by David Sirota writes: It’s Orwellian era, where working-class people pilfering convenience store goods is called ‘looting’. While on other hand, rich people and corporations are stealing hundreds of billions of dollars and that is just well-functioning ‘public policy’. In modern vernacular the word ‘looting’ is loaded — it comes with all sorts of race and class connotations. And to understand terms like ‘looting’, it’s important to read the way the news media often imperceptibly trains readers to think about economics, crimes, and punishment in specific and skewed ways.

For example; working-class people pilfering convenience-store goods is deemed ‘looting’. However, to really understand the deep programming at work here; consider how the word ‘looting’ is almost never used to describe the plundering that has become routine policy for many large corporations, governments, wealthy individuals. And that is far greater crime than vandalizing Target store. Although both are stealing and neither is justified.

This thievery is not called ‘looting’ because it’s done quietly in nice marbled office buildings in Washington, New York… It’s not called ‘looting’ because looters wear designer suits and are very polite as they steal everything not nailed down to the floor. It’s not called ‘looting’ but it should — because it’s tearing apart nation’s social fabric, laying waste to the economy, and throwing segments of society into chaos.






  • Edited September 20, 2020 1:06 pm  by  EdGlaze

Navigate this discussion: 1-10 11-12
Adjust text size:

Welcome, guest! Get more out of Delphi Forums by logging in.

New to Delphi Forums? You can log in with your Facebook, Twitter, or Google account or use the New Member Login option and log in with any email address.

Home | Help | Forums | Chat | Blogs | Privacy Policy | Terms of Service
© Delphi Forums LLC All rights reserved.