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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host6/27/10 3:35 PM 
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Parking Lot Awareness

Parking Lot Predators
Situational Awareness, Training and Concealed Carry Even Out the Odds!
Survival Savvy by Danny O. Coulson
Combat Handguns » September 2009

In the spring of 2007, my wife and I drove from home near Fort Worth, Texas to visit family in New Orleans. I carried a CAR-15 in the trunk of our car, secured my Heckler & Koch P-7 in the glove compartment and armed myself with a vintage Browning P-35, my weapon of choice since serving on the Hostage Rescue Team (HRT).

Our journey to Louisiana was uneventful and our return on a warm Sunday afternoon started as a leisurely drive until the Dallas/Fort Worth area on I-20. My wife wanted some bottled water. I pulled into a service station on the north side of I-20. We had fuel, so I bypassed the pumps to park and run into the mini mart.

As I pulled past the pumps and store entrance, I noticed a bandit barrier protecting the cashier. My antenna went up: There was enough concern over robberies to protect their employees. Better be alert.


Be Alert

With no parking near the door, I pulled to the far left end. I noticed a dumpster just to the far left of the building. Leaning against it was an individual wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt. His arms were crossed and he watched us intently. “Better watch this one,” I thought. “Too hot for a hooded sweatshirt.”

I nodded toward the dumpster and under my breath said to my wife, “I don’t like that one.” We entered, purchased water and exited the front door to return to our car. I took my wife’s arm and steered her toward the center of the lot, toward the pumps, not along the sidewalk. I wanted space for time to react if necessary.

Our route to the truck was a gentle arc, letting me visually cover most of the parking area. Using the sidewalk between parked cars and the mini mart would have been seriously impeded my ability to see a threat before it was upon us. Training and experience have taught me to rapidly close with an opponent in a CQB (close quarter battle) situation and give him little time to react.

In the HRT, our CQB philosophy was “speed, surprise and violence of action.” We always wanted to launch rescue operations as close to the subjects as possible to maximize our tactical advantage and firepower. Were I to be attacked I needed to reverse that, to gain space and time, and rely upon my firearms skill to prevail.

As we approached the car, the individual still stood by the dumpster, arms still crossed, watching us intently. His gaze did not leave us as we approached the car. I opened the passenger door and told my wife to get the pistol.

I walked behind the car and thought for a second about retrieving the CAR-15, but did not because I had not been threatened and did not want to alarm customers. But suspicions would change to threats in seconds.

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From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host6/27/10 3:35 PM 
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The Trap

As I turned the rear corner of the car, the man in the sweatshirt (“Subject One”) started walking briskly to my left in the direction of the pumps, never taking his eyes from me. There was no doubt in my mind he was trying to circle behind and very likely put me in an “L” situation with a confederate. In a CQB situation putting your opponent in the “L” or crossfire is the ultimate tactical advantage. It takes more time to write about this experience than the fractions of seconds of the actual events.

Most people would react by immediately getting to the safety of the car and locking the doors. That never entered my mind if an assault unfolded, as it clearly was, I did not want to be in my car trying to put it in motion when an aggressor approached my car, gun in hand—that would put me at the mercy of my attacker(s). With attackers in such close proximity, my weapon would not have served me well especially if two attackers approached from opposite sides of the car.

Fighting Back

My thought was to engage head-on, outside my vehicle. Chances of survival would be better if I neutralized the threat from a distance. I immediately opened the driver’s door and drew my weapon from the DeSantis holster that holds the P-35 cocked and locked. I positioned myself behind the open door and removed the safety. Gun now held low behind the door in both hands, I started turning my head back and forth between Subject Number One and in the direction of the dumpster. If there was to be a fight I wanted it on my terms and I wanted as much cover as possible.


Immediately Subject Number Two appeared from behind the dumpster, pulling a ski mask over his face as he moved directly toward me. I looked back and forth from Subject One to this new threat. I presented the Hi-Power with the dot of the front sight aligned on the chest of Subject Two. I thought I would engage Subject Two with a double tap and then engage Subject One with two shots and then re-evaluate.

I could not see the hands of Subject Two as they were hidden in what appeared to be a large pocket in the front of his sweatshirt. Things accelerated and our lives were unquestionably in danger: Subject Two threw on a ski mask as he quickly moved toward sme, there was no doubt that our lives were in danger.

This was to be a brazen assault for purposes unknown, we feared for our lives. The Browning has a two-stage trigger: I took up the slack and was about to engage. Subject Two was within 10 yards of my protected position when subject Number One screamed “No, No, No.” With that, both subjects whirled and sprinted back toward the dumpster and disappeared.

I locked and closed the door and told my wife, “If they come back at you, shoot them through the window.” I then made a wide arc to the left of the dumpster and observed three men, ski masks and Subject One running into the darkness.

The threat was over. We were lucky to have survived it. In discussing the event with Fort Worth P.D. and later with their training academy, they commented that I had in effect laid an ambush for the four who intended to ambush us.


  • Edited 9/12/2010 1:20 pm by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host6/28/10 6:46 PM 
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Excerpts from related discussions:


Carjacking Prevention Tips

It is important to remember that carjackers thrive on surprising their victims and taking advantage of those who are not attentive and alert at all times. There are countless victims who report that they were unaware of the carjacker's presence until they appeared at their car window or door. In order to prevent carjacking of your vehicle, it is suggested to exercise a high level of common sense.

Parking is an important part of preventing a carjacking, including placing cars in a well-lit location when planning on leaving a site after dark. This practice ultimately increases the level of awareness for a driver. Additionally, isolated parking spaces and spots situated close to a wall, tall bushes, or trees should be avoided. It is better for women who drive alone to park in an attended garage or to use valet services.

Before walking into a car garage or parking lot, assess your surroundings and pay attention to people sitting in their vehicles. If a stranger approaches you, change directions right away and go towards a busy area.

When approaching your vehicle, it is suggested to glance under, around, and inside of the car. If you need to load packages into your car, make sure not to turn your back. When it is safe, open the door, enter quickly, and lock the doors. Lingering in a parking lot only places you in more danger for being a target for carjackers, so immediately start your car and drive away. When driving in the city, keep the doors locked and the windows rolled up. If you must stop in traffic, make sure to leave room to maneuver your vehicle and escape if a threat should arise.

Keys to personal safety

My family teases me constantly because I never look for the closest parking place in the lot. I park farther away where I can have as few cars near us as possible. Both going in and coming out of the store, this makes it a lot easier to determine if someone is heading in our direction. If the parking lot is small or crowded I will back into the parking space. If I need to get out in a hurry, it is much easier and quicker to pull straight out rather than having to back up.


  • Edited November 5, 2019 6:22 am  by  EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host8/8/10 2:53 PM 
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Video — Parking Lot Awareness
Dave talks about a parking lot danger zone and what to do if you encounter the situation. If you don't know, don't go!



From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host11/25/10 3:38 PM 
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Pearls of Wisdom - Parking Lot Protocol [4:46]


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host12/25/12 6:10 PM 
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Parking lot awareness


  • Edited 12/25/2012 6:11 pm by EdGlaze

From: LINDSAYGRIFF1/1/13 8:36 AM 
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Nice story, but even though the punks were retreating, they still deserved to be shot.


"not in a forgiving mood"


[edited to add:]

Related discussion:


  • Edited 1/11/2013 10:16 am by EdGlaze

From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host1/30/14 3:11 PM 
To: LINDSAYGRIFF  (8 of 17) 
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On The Best Defense: The Parking Garage

One of the scariest places in the world is that dark parking garage.
It is a place we all go and we're very vulnerable if we don't pay attention to awareness and avoidance.

VIDEO [2:36]

The Best Defense is an exciting new show that teaches self defense through knowledge, preparation and awareness for men and women alike. The show features defense methods that involve: firearms, unarmed defensive situations, and self-defense product reviews.

Air times on Outdoor Channel: Wednesdays at 12:30 PM ET, 4:30 PM ET, 7:30 PM ET, 11:00 PM ET, Thursdays at 2:30 AM ET.


From: LINDSAYGRIFF1/31/14 11:34 PM 
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Two words:  Krav Maga.


From: EdGlaze DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host7/2/14 3:59 AM 
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A link to a video where a person in a car is approached by an armed gunman intent on either robbing or carjacking and the car driver shoots back.


Potential problems for the gun owner:

He shot the bad guy twice as he was fleeing and hence no longer or less of a threat — some prosecutors will bring murder charges for such actions.

Though it appeared he hit the bad guy as he was fleeing those shots could have easily missed and endangered others.

He did not notice or check for the second bad guy who could have come around the corner and shot him.

He did not immediately get on the phone to call 9-1-1 and report that he was the victim of an attempted armed robbery and had shot the bad guy in self defense.

Though there is no sound with the video but hopefully he yelled to the witnesses what had just happened so he is perceived as the good guy.


Related discussions:

Legal concerns after the shooting 

Gun owners and self-defense law

Guns and the law: Using deadly force

Beware of a second shooter



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